Yes, but that's not what he's showing. He is showing a noser aiming method. So why did you post these vids? Bored? Lol
The Simplest Aiming Systems to Visualize and Use
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Yes, but that's not what he's showing. He is showing a noser aiming method. So why did you post these vids? Bored? Lol
Sorry Charlie, you ain't gettin' it. Your brain is mired in fractions and that is not where it's at. You've said in the past one of your friends or maybe a guy who played in league used it and was a pretty strong player. You should have opened your eyes and mind
to learn from him. Obviously, you can't and won't. Nor are you the foremost authority on everything pool. Actually clueless when it comes to this.
How do you explain Ron Vitello's 90/90 aiming system? You have the tip of the cue offset to the far inside edge of the CB just inside the miscue point, pivot back to center CB and take the shot. Ball goes in. If you ever played Ron when he was living,
you'd be living in squalor now because he would have taken every penny you had.
Btw, Hal didn't pivot from center to outside for throw. The starting point was inside pivoting back to CCB like Ron. It wasn't as big an initial offset as Ron either.
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Still clueless. CTE was originally a pivot system taught by Hal and then Stan. Stan took it further to eliminate the manual pivot, but it also required a different set of eye placements and the elimination of a noser set up.
What does anything you just said have to do with what Brian was saying?
John, I know you aren't afraid to get on the table and try things because you don't post until you've given it the acid test. If you would be so kind to do it and report back on the results, I think it would hold a lot of credence.
Here's what Brian posted: "If anyone takes it to the table they'll see that a halfball aim only works for a 30° cut, and a 3/4 ball aim only works for a 15° cut.
Set some 75 - 87 degree cut shots to the left as well as the right to corner pockets. (Could be side pockets also but we'll skip it for now). Aim Center Cue Ball to edge of Object Ball with the tip of the cue set up at CCB also aimed at the edge of the Object ball. Then pivot your cue so the INSIDE tip of the cue is now aimed at the OUTSIDE EDGE of the OB. Take the shot.
You could also experiment with the cue aimed at the 15 for right cuts or 45 for left cuts and then pivot the cue to the left for right cuts so the edge of the tip/ferrule is now at the edge of the OB after pivot. See what does it for you.
For starters it might be easiest to place the OB inside the first diamond about 1" off the end rail closest to the pocket.
Then set the CB at the opposite end of the table below the side pocket for a severe cut angle of what I posted above.
Does it go in most of the time? It might not but it could be stroke error or sighting error. What it will prove is a 30 degree cut angle ONLY is total bullshit for a half ball SIGHTING (as opposed to a half ball hit) along with PIVOT.
What it will also prove is when you can make an 87 degree cut doing it as described with some practice, you can also pocket every single shot on the table from straight in along with EVERY cut angle between 0 to 87 degrees. (IF one knows what they're doing and how to execute it)
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How about watching and listening to these videos. Did you actually do that? Lol
He is not doing shishkabob or 90/90 or CTE. He is simply aiming ccb to a specific eighth on the ob after an initial aiming reference to center cb or one of the ob quarters. There is no offset, no pivot. That's fractional aiming. He can call it "split the difference", but what he's doing is using quarters and eighths and his experience to determine where to aim. The 3rd video (#26) shows this. Watch it and actually try to listen to his words.
Oh, and that buddy of mine that uses shishkabob uses his own version of it, like everyone else when it comes to pivot style aiming. Nothing wrong with that - gotta make whatever you're using work for you. Anyhow, he is a good player and a great guy, but he'd need weight to match up with me.
Jesus Brian, you are totally clueless as far as what is what and how it's done. I didn't say he was doing Shishkabob because he's NOT. I also explained how Shiskebob was set up with the tip of the cue, what was visualized, how to pivot and to where.
What he's doing is SIMILAR to Shiskabob by pivoting the tip of his cue from center to a quarter or edge. Your interpretation and perceived outcome is off base.
I wouldn't need weight and I don't think Cookie or others I know who pivot or use Pro1 would either. Wanna give it a shot for some really big bucks? You can try for a little piece from all of us.
I believe the simplest aiming system to visualize and use, which is the subject of this trolling thread, is what little Mike is showing in the videos. But here's a more effective way to do it:
Label the fractional overlaps like so:
Full = 0
7/8 = 1
3/4 = 2
5/8 = 3
1/2 = 4
3/8 = 5
1/4 = 6
1/8 = 7
Slight cuts: Look where a 0 aim line sends the ob in relation to the pocket, then estimate where aiming for a 2 would send the ob in relation to the pocket. Referencing these two paths, use your best judgment to determine the correct aim line for the shot. Is it 1? Is it 1.5? Is it 2?
For slightly thinner cuts do the same thing by comparing the paths of aiming for a 2 and aiming for a 4. For thinner cuts that border a halfball hit (aiming for 3, 4, or 5), reference the aim line for a halfball hit and determine if the shot is slightly thinner or thicker.
Aiming for a 3 would result in the outside edge of your ferrule lined to the edge of of the ob. A 4 is aiming the center of your ferrule to the edge of the ob. Aiming for a 5 would have the inside edge of your ferrule lined to the edge of the ob. For a 6 (a quarter ball hit), the inside edge of your ferrule would be about 3/10 of an inch away from the edge of the ob.
**Note that these aim lines aren't perfect fractional eighths, but it doesn't matter. They are solid references that can be used to program your mind.
Thinner cuts: For shots that look thinner than a 1/4 overlap, try using the cb edge lined up to the appropriate ob aiming reference. In other words, for a 1/8 hit aim so that the edge of the cb looks like it's going to slice an eighth off of the ob.
The more you practice this, the more your mind will begin to automatically fill in the gaps. You'll simply look at a shot and know it's not a 2 or a 3, but a 2.5. And eventually you'll find yourself fine-tuning even sharper, aiming for a 4.3 or a 3.8 when needed. The mind becomes programmed through repetition using known references. It's not magic.
Label the fractional overlaps like so:
Full = 0
7/8 = 1
3/4 = 2
5/8 = 3
1/2 = 4
3/8 = 5
1/4 = 6
1/8 = 7
Slight cuts: Look where a 0 aim line sends the ob in relation to the pocket, then estimate where aiming for a 2 would send the ob in relation to the pocket. Referencing these two paths, use your best judgment to determine the correct aim line for the shot. Is it 1? Is it 1.5? Is it 2?
For slightly thinner cuts do the same thing by comparing the paths of aiming for a 2 and aiming for a 4. For thinner cuts that border a halfball hit (aiming for 3, 4, or 5), reference the aim line for a halfball hit and determine if the shot is slightly thinner or thicker.
Aiming for a 3 would result in the outside edge of your ferrule lined to the edge of of the ob. A 4 is aiming the center of your ferrule to the edge of the ob. Aiming for a 5 would have the inside edge of your ferrule lined to the edge of the ob. For a 6 (a quarter ball hit), the inside edge of your ferrule would be about 3/10 of an inch away from the edge of the ob.
**Note that these aim lines aren't perfect fractional eighths, but it doesn't matter. They are solid references that can be used to program your mind.
Thinner cuts: For shots that look thinner than a 1/4 overlap, try using the cb edge lined up to the appropriate ob aiming reference. In other words, for a 1/8 hit aim so that the edge of the cb looks like it's going to slice an eighth off of the ob.
The more you practice this, the more your mind will begin to automatically fill in the gaps. You'll simply look at a shot and know it's not a 2 or a 3, but a 2.5. And eventually you'll find yourself fine-tuning even sharper, aiming for a 4.3 or a 3.8 when needed. The mind becomes programmed through repetition using known references. It's not magic.
And your point is? What's so funny, laughing boy? He might not have ever heard about Shiskabob but I've used it Hal's way starting from the INSIDE and then pivoting to center or beyond and with the outside pivot starting at center for many years before he ever posted these videos on youtube. He could have stumbled upon it on his own.
Little Mike certainly isn't using the supposed Geometrically perfect Poolology nor are you or anyone else who paid the money.
Why do you think that is? Oh, that's right. The subconscious works better. Whatever that is and can't be explained in one of the perfect 2D drawings. Everyone is "different".
You better damn well believe this is NOT a trolling thread just because you think the way you do. Btw, you just turned a very simple visual system that works like a charm into another confusing visual and math disaster. Who is going to read and do this crap any more than they use Poolology?
And you've just shown your typical non-diplomatic way of expressing yourself. You are awesome.
Well, you started it by calling and claiming this to be a TROLLING THREAD.And you've just shown your typical non-diplomatic way of expressing yourself. You are awesome.
Ambassador Brian posted:
"I believe the simplest aiming system to visualize and use, which is the subject of this trolling thread,"
Yuk, yuk, yuk. Don't laugh so hard that you pee your pants especially if you aren't wearing Depends. But then again, you might be. Yuk, yuk, yuk.
You're right, Little Mike is not using Poolology. He is using guesswork fractions, the old-school/traditional way of estimating where the cb will go if you aim for a certain overlap. Here's a better way to use traditional fractions...
Concerning Poolology, I use it every single time I play - not on every single shot, but when needed. I already know you don't understand that, so no need to reply with the same ol bs about it.
He's not using a fractional overlap at all. On the shots in the video, most all of it starts off with aiming the cuestick and tip at the CENTER of THE CUEBALL TO THE CENTER OF THE OBJECT BALL FOR A STRAIGHT SHOT. If struck that way the straight shot would go straight into the rail, not a pocket.You're right, Little Mike is not using Poolology. He is using guesswork fractions, the old-school/traditional way of estimating where the cb will go if you aim for a certain overlap. Here's a better way to use traditional fractions...
Concerning Poolology, I use it every single time I play - not on every single shot, but when needed. I already know you don't understand that, so no need to reply with the same ol bs about it.
There is no overlap of the two balls to anywhere else!! From the STRAIGHT IN ALIGNMENT the only thing he does is PIVOT THE CUE AND THE TIP so it's ANGLED and POINTING HALFWAY BETWEEN CENTER AND EDGE ON THE OBJECT BALL.
Using Poolology every single time you play is much different than what you always said PREVIOUSLY. Which is you Didn't use it because everything was ingrained subconsciously to just see the shot from years of playing. Now the story has changed to fit a new situation. How convenient.
All you're doing is making crap up to create a strawman argument and obfuscate what is really being done and said on the video as well as what I'm pointing out.
Watch the videos please, especially #26. I mean, damn....you're the one who posted them.
And I haven't changed anything concerning what I'm saying about using Poolology. I have always used it on certain shots, when needed, every time I play. I'm 53 and playing better and more consistent now than I was before coming up with Poolology. And I just keep getting better. Like many other players have told me over the last 4 years, I wish a system like Poolology would've been available when I first started playing pool.
NOTE: Aiming ccb to ob center is a full ball overlap. If you start here, as Mike shows, then realign through ccb to aim halfway between ob center and ob edge, you are now aiming for a 3/4 overlap. He can call it a "pivot", and you can cream your jeans thinking there's something special happening, but the only thing happening is a realignment from one fractional aim line to another.
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Well, if you were referring to yourself it would have been the first time you got it right. You were, weren't you?Umm, I wasn't referring to Little Mike.
