The STRONGEST SPOT to me is...

Icon of Sin said:
You said you could be competitive with anyone with that spot except for maybe 100 players. I can name 10 in my state alone that are not pros that can out run that spot. I can name another 4 that are pros in my state that can out run it.

Sure you might run out a rack occasionally. The thing is as soon as you miss or play that loose safe they are definitely out or playing a successful safe. You have to play perfect every time you get to the table. It's kinda like playing the ghost (with the exception of you being allowed to play a safe). I know how I play against the ghost and I wouldnt want to put money on it.

Constantly mentioning your handicap isnt really helping your case in this. Being an 8 means you are decent in a pool league. Boasting about that number outside of league will hurt you more then help you because you just completely gave up the element of surprise. They have a good idea of your speed now.
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Yeah, in order to be pretty confident with that spot (against anyone who you do not know), you need to not only have a very consistent offensive rotation game, but you also need to have a jam up defensive game. It is not that strong of a spot, unless you are a solid A player (and you are the one getting that spot). I am speaking along the lines of tight 9 foot Diamonds or Brunswick Gold Crown tables.

On an off topic note, I remember these 9 foot Brunswicks (in Chapel Hill NC) that were triple shimmed (the pockets), so Brunswicks can be adjusted to play even more difficult then Diamonds.
 
Icon of Sin said:
It's definitely a big spot, I probably cant out run it because I will probably make a mistake after the 8 does. What I am saying is that there are a lot of players out there that wont make a mistake.

It's easy to say "I will either run out or play a safe and you will have to go kicking" but it's another thing doing it successfully.
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Yeah, you really have to know and be very confident in your offensive and defensive game (and on a consistent basis), if you are going to bet any large amount of money against an unknown road player, for example. I would not mind getting (or giving up) that spot, but I would have to know who I was playing. My only point is that you just have to know who you are playing.
 
Bigkat said:
* The breaks + ball in hand afterwards. I know I'm just a lowly APA 8. But I would feel highly competitive with anybody outside of maybe 100 players in the world with this spot✔✔. Maybe I'm wrong though LOL
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If you can CRUSH the 9 ball ghost, then you will win this. If not, then any pro will beat you at this. If you can just barely beat the ghost, the pro will win. There is more psychological pressure playing a pro than the ghost, because you are watching them fire the balls at you.
 
Yotehntr said:
Not to de-rail but what is "beat the ghost"?
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If you break the nine balls, get cue ball in hand, and have to run out or you lose.
...your opponent is "The Ghost"....you assume he never misses.


The SOB will never rack for you
 
De420MadHatter said:
Hell!!! I can throw a rock in any direction and hit 5 of em. He's saying he's an APA 8 bro!! I look at that the same as I would look at playing your Grandma. Unless apa 8s on the East Coast play like burning hell, cuz in the Midwest they suck. Plain and simple. No apa 8 is beating the ghost for damn sure. I'm pretty sure you can't show me a apa 8 that can average, over the course of a 100 games, a run to the 7 ball every rack. Talking 9ft Diamond here. I'm not saying he's a shitty player, just misinformed, and lacking a little knowledge. We all start somewhere. He just said 100 players and it's probably along the lines of 100,000 +
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I think what you said at the end is far fetched. Do you think there are 100,000 solid A level players out there? Are there even a 100,000 players out there that take the sport of pool seriously? I do not know.

I think that an APA 8 = maybe a solid B level player, and you are right, solid B players do not have that strong of a defensive game, and they are not going to beat the ghost on a regular bases. Any solid A player would probably be willing to give that spot (the breaks and ball in hand after the break) to an average B level player, on a good 9 foot Diamond, or decent Brunswick Gold Crown table. I would be betting on the solid A level player to beat the average B level player in that game (maybe races to 9 or 11 for example) every time. But to say there are 100,000 solid A level players out there? That is very far fetched, I think.
 
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Bigkat said:
The longer race favors the "shortstop" or whatever but make it a race to 5 or 7 games and that spot is GARGANTUAN!!
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No, not for a B player (which is what the average APA 8 is), even in a short race to 5, playing on a tight 9 foot table. My money is still on the solid A level player, giving that spot up to the average APA 8 (which I think is no better then a B level player). The B player would not get out, and be unable to play a strong safe. Then I think the A player would be able to take him out from there (more often then not).
 
pt109 said:
If you break the nine balls, get cue ball in hand, and have to run out or you lose.
...your opponent is "The Ghost"....you assume he never misses.


The SOB will never rack for you
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Lol, yeah, the ghost can't miss. He is a god at the pool table. You miss = you lose. He is willing to spot you the breaks, and ball in hand after the breaks though. I don't want none of the ghost on a 9 foot Diamond. Maybe if he gives me the 6 ball too.
 
justinb386 said:
No, not for a B player (which is what the average APA 8 is), even in a short race to 5, playing on a tight 9 foot table. My money is still on the solid A level player, giving that spot up to the average APA 8 (which I think is no better then a B level player). The B player would not get out, and be unable to play a strong safe. Then I think the A player would be able to take him out from there (more often then not).
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The shorter race would give a better chance as all short races do . But 5-7 is really kids stuff a good player giving that spot is looking at a mans race 9 or over

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THIS IS HOW I IMAGINE 1 GAME WITH "SAID" PERSON GOING!! My break. If I drop a ball and have a shot afterwards I'm about 50% chance to run out. Because of the gravity of the situation and the mere fact that all of eternity is riding on this one particular game LOL if I do not have a shot he will be in a severe predicament. I'm not saying that he will be 100% hidden but I can guarantee you that I will place him LONG on opposite sides and both balls locked to the rail. Good luck shooting off the rail and seeing only a portion of the top of the ball with no real chance of putting any English on it with any degree of certainty. This leads to my being back at the table with probably have decent shot. I probably ran 5 balls before I had to play safe and so I will finish this game!! ✔
 
Bigkat said:
THIS IS HOW I IMAGINE 1 GAME WITH "SAID" PERSON GOING!! My break. If I drop a ball and have a shot afterwards I'm about 50% chance to run out. Because of the gravity of the situation and the mere fact that all of eternity is riding on this one particular game LOL if I do not have a shot he will be in a severe predicament. I'm not saying that he will be 100% hidden but I can guarantee you that I will place him LONG on opposite sides and both balls locked to the rail. Good luck shooting off the rail and seeing only a portion of the top of the ball with no real chance of putting any English on it with any degree of certainty. This leads to my being back at the table with probably have decent shot. I probably ran by balls before I had to play safe and so I will finish this game!! ✔
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And that's why you're a (sore) loser.

Now pay the man because you probably fudged up the out.
 
I would go with the pro in this situation.

However, I think Dennis Orcullo had gave a really strong A(+?) player the break and BIH. Dennis ended up quitting mid-way when he finally pulled even.

I think an A++ player beats the ghost with BIH.
 
gxman said:
I would go with the pro in this situation.

However, I think Dennis Orcullo had gave a really strong A(+?) player the break and BIH. Dennis ended up quitting mid-way when he finally pulled even.

I think an A++ player beats the ghost with BIH.
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If you're around even money to beat the ghost in a race to nine....
...you got the whole world in a trap.

If you expect to get to at least seven, you can still gamble with anybody.
 
pt109 said:
If you break the nine balls, get cue ball in hand, and have to run out or you lose.
...your opponent is "The Ghost"....you assume he never misses.


The SOB will never rack for you
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Thank bud! That's what I was guessing by the conversation but I wasn't sure.
 
PoolBum said:
Yep, the guy I saw giving up this spot and winning was Billy Peay. He didn't run any 6-packs but he completely controlled the table and of course the other guy was a banger.
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The guy I'm referring to is JA, and the unnamed person he was playing was no banger. A strong short stop easily, but Johnny had him from the first break and never let go of control, just as you describe.
 
Bigkat said:
@De420MadHatter I really don't see how you will ever shoot on a regular basis. Enjoy kicking at balls and playing long shots off the rail all day my friend
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I've read quite a bit of your post and it's become pretty clear to me that you don't know half of the shit you think you know. There is NO point in getting the break and ball in hand after the break if you can't run out more than 51% of the time....period! I use to give that spot up all the time to league players and never failed to rob them blind....LOL. Do you understand that once you have to play safe, your chance of winning is over? Kicking and long shots come back at you to buddy, difference being there's less balls on the table for me to have to run out. Buy the time you miss, it's just like I broke and made 4 or 5 balls on the break and I'M the one shooting. If YOU have to play safe, and you're the one shooting, it's because YOU got out of line, which just tells me you can't run out often enough to win. Don't you get the fact that everytime you fail to run out, you turn over the control of the table to me....with less balls on it? The odds of you turning the table over to me after playing a safe vs following a missed shot is about 1 out of 10....are you NEW at playing pool or what?
 
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