The Thinking On Bigfoot Slop
- Thread starter Johnnyt
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Do you really think that you could have a level field of "top tier players and many champions" with 4" pockets and no slop? There is a very big gap between those who can and can't play their best on the 10 footer.
Then the ones that can't shouldn't want to be there @ $1000 a pop.
You haven't put much thought into this, have you?
You might want to actually have some idea what the pocket sizes were before you act you like know anything. Might want also know the tournament was set up to be an "elite" field.
Thank you Joe. Johnnyt
Enlighten me on how a 10-ball Challenge, that is limited to the first sixteen players, was "set up" to be an "elite" field. Looks to me like the first sixteen yuppies with $1000 could buy in and play. I didn't see anything about the 10-ball event being an invitational.
Jay may have intended it to be an "elite" group of players, but that's not in question...
Then Jay had it advertised incorrectly.
"The field is limited to the first sixteen players"
http://www.dcctickets.com/AddedOpportunities/tabid/57/Default.aspx
"The field is limited to the first sixteen players"
http://www.dcctickets.com/AddedOpportunities/tabid/57/Default.aspx
I do believe Jay contacted at least 16 players to start with, and if memory serves, they were all top tier. Johnnyt
Nope you're wrong...
It was invitation only, not the first 16 entries. They are 4.5" pro cut diamond pockets.
For instance whether I'm capable of competing with them or not, had I had an extra $1000 and tried to enter I would've been denied entry
Jaden
Enlighten me on how a 10-ball Challenge, that is limited to the first sixteen players, was "set up" to be an "elite" field. Looks to me like the first sixteen yuppies with $1000 could buy in and play. I didn't see anything about the 10-ball event being an invitational.
Jay may have intended it to be an "elite" group of players, but that's not in question...
It was invitation only, not the first 16 entries. They are 4.5" pro cut diamond pockets.
For instance whether I'm capable of competing with them or not, had I had an extra $1000 and tried to enter I would've been denied entry
Jaden
I stand corrected.
I did know the pockets were 4 1/2", which leads me to wonder. Was that a tournament choice or Diamond made a mistake? The pockets at Tunica were 4.25" or smaller weren't they?
No they were 4.5" too.
Yeah I recently played on the table that was at Tunica in Ohio, and they were pro cut also. Best playing table ever IMO.
Jaden
Yeah I recently played on the table that was at Tunica in Ohio, and they were pro cut also. Best playing table ever IMO.
Jaden
I imagine the fundamental reason that the Bigfoot event is played with slop-counts rules (except for the 10-ball on the break) is that Jay Helfert does not like call-shot rules. He and I have expressed differing views on this in many threads.
• Sometimes (as at the DCC) 10-Ball is played under essentially Texas Express rules. Two-way shots are part of that game.
• WPA (World-Standardized) 10-Ball rules do not eliminate the most common form of two-way shot (shooting to make a ball but leaving the CB safe if the shot is missed). Tony Robles' Predator Tour rules (also used once at the SBE pro event) do eliminate this form of two-way shot.
• A second type of two-way shot is where you try to make either or both of two balls. E.g., the 5-ball is the lowest-numbered ball on the table and you try to make either the 5-ball or the 10-ball (which might be hanging near a pocket). Both the WPA rules and the Predator Tour rules require that you designate only one ball and one pocket, so they eliminate this less-frequent type of two-way shot.
A quick review of my notes indicates that it happened in more than half of the matches. One egregious example was Bustamante (vs. Appleton) slopping in the match-winning 10-ball on a missed shot at the 9-ball.
takeitdown
Banned
Slop shots
Slops shots affected every match of the last day of 9 ball as well. Just no place for this in pro pool. Especially when someone sticks their opponent by accident.
Slops shots affected every match of the last day of 9 ball as well. Just no place for this in pro pool. Especially when someone sticks their opponent by accident.