The truth about Mezz shafts

Drop The Rock said:
Out of most of the low deflection shafts I have hit with Mezz shafts seem to be the most solid but they also feel the stiffest. I don't care for a whippy shaft like a Meucci but damn I also don't want to feel like I'm playing with with rebar. This is especially true IMO with the WX700. I would rather play with probably any other shaft on the market than that one, mainly because it requires so much effort to put draw on the ball and it feels like shit to me. (hit with)

The WX900 on the other hand is the best conical taper LD shaft ever made (owned). The amount of English possible with that shaft is ridiculous and it feels very solid but there are some things that you can't do because it isn't a pro taper.

The Hybrid Pro Alpha isn't supossed to have many LD characteristics but hits well according to some I have talked to. It used to be Mika's shaft of choice. Jeff De Luna plays with it currently.

Now the HPII is a great shaft(owned). It has a little more deflection than the WX900 but is graduated(google it) taper. I have a few good friends who play quite well that swear by the HPII and I have played with one before and like it well enough.

I haven't played with the EX Pro or heard much about it so if you have info or a review feel free to reply.

Now. HOLY S@$T THESE SHAFTS ARE #$%#$% EXPENSIVE. I'm guessing Mezz doesn't sell blanks, which is smart because that means they control the market for their shaft very efficiently and can charge pretty much whatever they want. For the WX900 and WX700 they charge $240-$280 depending on the joint. The EX Pro is $400 as of now but only in the Mezz joints so probably more for other joint types. The HPII and HP A are both $330 to $370. Mezz has a break shaft they charge $330 for...

I have also seen the shaft wood they use and I don't care what kind of core your shaft has, is there is a knot in the shaft wood it is going to affect how it hits.

Edit: The truth is they are expensive. That was my point. I'm not knocking them merely stating they are one of the most if not the most expensive production shaft on the market with predator following close behind. I didn't want to just post a thread sating they were expensive and sound like a hater, because I'm not. I am also not against LD shafts. LD and laminated are two different things, and if the wood is quality they both have their merits. PFD, Klapp, Lambros, Durbin(don't remember if they are laminated or not) and couple other custom cue makers have LD shafts.
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I think you are giving a shaft (and its taper) more credit for its effect on a shot than what is deserved. Besides the difference in squirt created by the LD qualities of these shafts, their effects on spin applied to a CB are greatly exaggerated. I play with a Tiger X-pro 11.75mm LD shaft. I have also hit the Jacoby Hybrid edge and several other shafts. While the LD properties are different for the shafts I have hit, and the feel is different, what U can do with the CB is relatively close if not identical with each shaft.
 
asbani said:
I'm no teacher or scientist of the game of pool, but I 100% disagree with this statement, you don't need to study or make experiments to see that this is just wrong. Stroke does play huge part of spin and draw shots but you could have the best stroke in the entire world and if I bring to you a broom with a kamui tip, you wouldnt be able to draw as good as if I bring to you a decent shaft with good taper and good tip.

Hell you could draw better with good shaft and lepro, than a broom with kamui tip, I'm sorry it just doesn't make sense what you said, you dont even need to be that smart to think for 10mins about this then think, umm no. you need good stroke and good cue to be able to draw better, and its not about being comfortable.
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I find it hard to believe that this is being argued on a knowledgeable site like this. He did not say a Broom stick, he said a house cue. The shaft makes very little difference i\on how much spin is imparted on the CB. The tip appears to make some difference according to recent tests, but the shaft is not going to affect the action of the CB as stated, nor will tip size. As long as your tip hits the CB in the correct spot, it is going to spine the same with all of these shafts.

I have standard maple shafts, house cues, a Tiger x-pro 11.75 mm, and an old Walmart graphite cue that I bought when I first got a table. As long as the tip is scuffed and chalked, I can make the CB spin the same with any of them. It is pure physics. Maybe Dr. Dave can jump in here if he hasn't already.
 
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mantis99 said:
I think you are giving a shaft (and its taper) more credit for its effect on a shot than what is deserved. Besides the difference in squirt created by the LD qualities of these shafts, their effects on spin applied to a CB are greatly exaggerated. I play with a Tiger X-pro 11.75mm LD shaft. I have also hit the Jacoby Hybrid edge and several other shafts. While the LD properties are different for the shafts I have hit, and the feel is different, what U can do with the CB is relatively close if not identical with each shaft.
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I like some of Mezz's products, I own both the Hybrid Pro II and the Deep impact (Ash) break Shaft (with a Taom Tip, not the Sonic) While I have put the Mezz Hybrid Pro in my keeper shaft, I don't play with it, I play with the Tiger Pro-X, it just has the best hit and less deflection. But I do keep the Deep impact (Ash) break Shaft in my case and break with it as my favorite. I have tried so many shafts as I am fortunate to have the scratch to. I like the Jacoby Edge as well. The Predators and OB's are no longer in the running. The BD360-2 is an awesome new shaft I have been playing with as well. Mezz makes a good product though and maybe the best break shaft out there. Also I love the Mezz Scuffer! When it comes to the cues, I preffer Schon, but that is a matter of taste.
 

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mantis99 said:
I find it hard to believe that this is being argued on a knowledgeable site like this. He did not say a Broom stick, he said a house cue. The shaft makes very little difference i\on how much spin is imparted on the CB. The tip appears to make some difference according to recent tests, but the shaft is not going to affect the action of the CB as stated, nor will tip size. As long as your tip hits the CB in the correct spot, it is going to spine the same with all of these shafts.

I have standard maple shafts, house cues, a Tiger x-pro 11.75 mm, and an old Walmart graphite cue that I bought when I first got a table. As long as the tip is scuffed and chalked, I can make the CB spin the same with any of them. It is pure physics. Maybe Dr. Dave can jump in here if he hasn't already.
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That is palpable nonsense. Who comes up with such rubbish?
 
Ron Swanson said:
That is palpable nonsense. Who comes up with such rubbish?
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What you are saying is just words with nothing to back them up. This point has been proven already, and continues to be true whether you deny it or not. Heck Efren has won tournaments with $30 cues and makes the ball move all over. Any solid cue with a proper tip will make the ball dance with the proper stroke. Any other statement is as you say "palpable nonsense".
 
Ron Swanson said:
That is palpable nonsense. Who comes up with such rubbish?
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He (mantis99) is right.
If I can make the same shots with a 50€ that with my 500€ cue, that proves it can be done. If you can't do it, that doesn't prove it can't be done but you don't know how to shoot.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
Hmmm...I have a $65000 spindle cartridge right next to me. It is going on a machine which will need to drill holes in parts so accurately that the cutter is actually cooled in between holes.

One might say there is a lot of engineering in this 28lb part which will be put on a $4.5million machine.

If I ever encountered a thread that felt cross threaded because it was machined that tightly, I would be finding out where people screwed up.

Tight fitting threads are over constrained, improperly made, improperly implemented and, well, wrong.

Somehow the billiards industry think they are indicative of quality. I hate people.
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Lol, I'm with you. I'm enjoying reading this thread on a Friday afternoon. I think Trump is actually going to win.
 
Eurotroll said:
He (mantis99) is right.
If I can make the same shots with a 50€ that with my 500€ cue, that proves it can be done. If you can't do it, that doesn't prove it can't be done but you don't know how to shoot.
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Lol. The role of your username is already taken, bub.

Cost of cues makes no difference in this. I would suggest only those that can move a CB can understand this one.
 
mantis99 said:
What you are saying is just words with nothing to back them up. This point has been proven already, and continues to be true whether you deny it or not. Heck Efren has won tournaments with $30 cues and makes the ball move all over. Any solid cue with a proper tip will make the ball dance with the proper stroke. Any other statement is as you say "palpable nonsense".
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That is not what you said. You said shafts make no difference when it comes to moving the CB. That is nonsense.
 
Ron Swanson said:
That is not what you said. You said shafts make no difference when it comes to moving the CB. That is nonsense.
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I said the OP was giving too much credit to the shaft for what it can do to affect the spin of the cue ball and that is true. Shafts certainly affect cue ball squirt and the "feel" of the shot, but their affect on how much draw or side spin is applied during the same stroke is minimal, and should not be considered when you are trying to decide what to spend on a shaft.
 
mantis99 said:
I said the OP was giving too much credit to the shaft for what it can do to affect the spin of the cue ball and that is true. Shafts certainly affect cue ball squirt and the "feel" of the shot, but their affect on how much draw or side spin is applied during the same stroke is minimal, and should not be considered when you are trying to decide what to spend on a shaft.
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I'm sorry but that is, again, nonsense.
 
Ron Swanson said:
I'm sorry but that is, again, nonsense.
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You keep calling it nonsense without providing any proof. I posted a link to Dr. Dave's website with statements based on actual physics and testing. If you don't have anything more to add to the topic besides just blindly calling it nonsense, then I don't have anymore to discuss with you.
 
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