The Weldon Rodgers School of Gambling

Grady

Pro Player
Weldon Rodgers and “Bakersfield Bob” were both from a small town in Arizona, Eloi I think. I don’t remember, for a goodly number of years, anybody beating any of us playing even up bar pool. Weldon and Bobby played great with the big rock while I did most of the small cue ball playing.
We ended up being around each other quite a bit in Woodward, Oklahoma, (pronounced with the second w silent). We all thought it was home to the best steak house in the world. We certainly tested it every night. There was a ton of action at the Hilltop Bar and Motel. Sixty miles away in Longdale resided Bill Duggan, a weak player who might arrest you and throw you in jail for not gambling. When Bill said “the store is open” that meant you could bet anything you wanted.
Players like “One Eyed Tony”, Andy O’Gean, and a host of other excellent players who’s names don’t come immediately to mind, frequented this great action spot. Ten miles south of Woodward, in Moreland, lived Verl Horn. Verl owned the local body shop and tow truck company and rolled out the red carpet for all visiting pool players. It wasn’t uncommon for him to give a gentleman such as myself a couple of thousand dollars and the use of a new Cadillac while I was in town. Later in life, Verl dabbled in cue making and did a pretty good job at that.
I knew Weldon and Bobby before the Woodward era. We had had a very good friend and a sure to be top player named Johnny Draine, from Tucson. Johnny sadly died in Vietnam in the service of his country.
After reflecting back about all the years in my pool playing life, I have to say Weldon (Those of us who were close to him, prefer to call him Junior.) was the greatest pool hustler who ever lived. To wit: 1... He started his trips with $10,000 or more; that’s $80,000 in today’s money. 2...He carried a thousand dollar bill in his hatband. 3...He tried to get a good game and he was a very fine game maker and then bet as much money as possible. 4...He was honest to a fault with those with whom he did business. 5...He raised his family properly and if you were Junior’s friend, you just couldn’t have a better guy in your corner.
I was asked what I meant by using the Weldon Rodgers school of gambling. When I had lost a game of Snooker for $300 and raised the bet to $1,000 a game, even though my opponent had run the entire table. In a famous match of Junior’s. He was with our mutual friend Will Willingham and playing Johnny Edwards in Bowling Green, Kentucky. The first set was an eight ahead and Johnny ran the whole set out. Instead of quitting, as many modern day greats would, Weldon and Will doubled the bet. Junior ended up getting the money.
One time in Woodward, I had “stalled” with Indian John, a shortstop player and gotten him to spot me a seven ball. It was a work of art on my part and Junior was in with it. I won $3,000 and was delighted with the effort. We had played in Longdale and we drove back to Woodward to our motel. As we were pulling into our parking space in front of our room, Weldon hollered at me, “There’s John. He’s still got $300 left. I’m gonna go get it.” “Junior,” I cautioned, “we’ve already got almost all the money. Why don’t you leave the poor guy alone?” But Weldon liked to get all the money, so he lost the entire $3,000 plus $1,500 of ours. Please don’t get the wrong idea. This was a rare exception. Weldon practically always got the money.
He was fast, actually winning two or three foot races when we were together. The most famous of which was against Eddie Bellmore, a smart guy who got crippled for life in Los Angeles when he got robbed and wouldn’t give up his watch. Weldon and I got shot at a couple of times and threatened with being tarred and feathered but we survived and enjoyed our times together greatly.
I’ve been conversing with Freddie the Beard and I’m going to put a little teaser out there for you interested readers. We’ve been threatening for years to put together a Top Ten Rogues’ List. I don’t know exactly when this will come about but we will get it done and I promise we really have some qualified candidates.
 
Anyone care to hazard some guesses on the the top ten rogues list?

Jack Hynes has gotten alot of press these days on this board. I think he probably will make the list.
 
uwate said:
Anyone care to hazard some guesses on the the top ten rogues list?

Jack Hynes has gotten alot of press these days on this board. I think he probably will make the list.
My dictionary has two meanings for rogue: 1. a dishonest person; a knave, and 2. a mischievous or playful person. Some of these are category 1, most category 2, and some a mixture:
Jack Hynes
Detroit Whitey (Eddie Beauchene)
"Handsome" Danny Jones
Richard "Bucktooth" Cook
Ronnie Allen
"St Louis" Louis Roberts
Keith McReady
Dennis Hatch
Danny Diliberto
Billy "Cornbread Red" Burge
 
He's still with us as far as I know.He managed the Knoxville Billiard Club for about 10 years but I don't think he's still doing that.
 
Weldon and Johnny Draine...

I spoke to Weldon about 4 or 5 years ago. I had been chatting with Greg Willingham (WW Cues and Steve Kornele's mentor) and mentioned that I had known Weldon from the old days in Phoenix. Greg had my phone number and, much to my pleasant surprise, passed it along to Weldon and he called me up. I believe he was in Memphis but I do not know what he was doing. What a wonderful conversation that was.

What Grady mentioned about Johnny Draine (sp?) being a future champion is the truth. "Drano" as he was known as, played about every top player that came thru Phoenix and rarely came out losers. I knew John very well - we went to Vietnam within 3 weeks of each other. I was very sad to learn that he had died over there. I remember Johnny playing Ritchie Florence. They broke very close to even after 5 hours of playing.

Only about a week ago - I was visiting a local pool room and the talk went around to old Phoenix players. NO HAD HEARD OF "DRANO' !!! It bummed me out but I sure let them know about that guy!!

Grady - much thanks for the post!!!!!
 
Grady said:
He's still with us as far as I know.He managed the Knoxville Billiard Club for about 10 years but I don't think he's still doing that.
About the only thing Junior is managing now is to fish a lot and deal some cards. I will inform him about this post next time I see him. I'll probably get his commentary on some of these stories as well. I am sure he'll be glad to know you are still telling tales about him. I never got to see Junior play at top speed because he didn't play for a while before moving to Knoxville, but he could still play very well. He also played one handed jacked up better than anyone I have personally ever seen. Thanks for the post Grady.
 
Every time I talk to Bill Duggan and ask him about either going to a tournament or coming to visit.... he says, "Naw, I'm hoping Junior will come and go fishin!" HMMPH.... I see where I stand! They must still stay in touch. Bill has shared many of his stories about gambling back in Oklahoma, and I can assure you, it will never be that way again. It's a shame. Bill is one of a kind, I tell ya.

Anyone talking with Junior, tell him I said hi as well.

Tammie Wesley-Jones
 
Junior Weldon

The only gambling experience I had with Junior was in Indiana. I was partners with Vince "Pancho Carelli," from Brooklyn,(a top candidate for the Rogues Gallery) and he tried to play Junior 1-handed 1 pocket. I knew Junior was a top 1-handed player but so was Pancho, plus in those days we stayed coked up and always craved action. We also knew that Junior's specialty was Bar tables not 4 1/2 x 9's. Come to think of it, Junior and I had played once before in Oklahoma City. Eight ball on the Bar table, and we broke even. Pancho got battered by Junior and then I jumped in to play a 2 handed game. Junior demanded a spot playing 1pkt and I gave it to him on his tables and he beat me too. He showed up in Chicago in my joint at the Billiard Cafe about 3 or 4 months later. We played again with the same spot that I had lost at. He played one game. I won and he quit! Needless to say, you could have roasted chestnuts on my head, I was so hot. I couldn't understand that move, because I had always heard that Junior was a "straight ticket" -- someone that would play until he was broke.

One interesting sidelight to Grady's story that includes Fast Eddie Bellmore. It made sense that he wouldn't give up his watch in the stickup and wound up crippled. He was a very tough guy that loved to fight and could usually whip people much larger than he. He also fancied himself very fast in a foot race and it's no wonder he lost big running with Junior. When I visited Bellmore in LA in the early 70s he and another guy were running a wife-swappers club in a mansion in the Hollywood Hills. They had 200 couples as members. It was a giant place, with no furniture, a jillion bedrooms and matresses laid out all over the place. Kinky as I was myself then, I could only manage two visits before the thrill wore off. Bellmore usually functioned as the Master of Ceremonies.

I always wanted to open a big time poolroom and have a special Rogues Hall of Fame section and ignore BCA people. The rogues were always my heroes anyway.

the Beard
 
freddy the beard said:
The only gambling experience I had with Junior was in Indiana. I was partners with Vince "Pancho Carelli," from Brooklyn,(a top candidate for the Rogues Gallery) and he tried to play Junior 1-handed 1 pocket. I knew Junior was a top 1-handed player but so was Pancho, plus in those days we stayed coked up and always craved action. We also knew that Junior's specialty was Bar tables not 4 1/2 x 9's. Come to think of it, Junior and I had played once before in Oklahoma City. Eight ball on the Bar table, and we broke even. Pancho got battered by Junior and then I jumped in to play a 2 handed game. Junior demanded a spot playing 1pkt and I gave it to him on his tables and he beat me too. He showed up in Chicago in my joint at the Billiard Cafe about 3 or 4 months later. We played again with the same spot that I had lost at. He played one game. I won and he quit! Needless to say, you could have roasted chestnuts on my head, I was so hot. I couldn't understand that move, because I had always heard that Junior was a "straight ticket" -- someone that would play until he was broke.

One interesting sidelight to Grady's story that includes Fast Eddie Bellmore. It made sense that he wouldn't give up his watch in the stickup and wound up crippled. He was a very tough guy that loved to fight and could usually whip people much larger than he. He also fancied himself very fast in a foot race and it's no wonder he lost big running with Junior. When I visited Bellmore in LA in the early 70s he and another guy were running a wife-swappers club in a mansion in the Hollywood Hills. They had 200 couples as members. It was a giant place, with no furniture, a jillion bedrooms and matresses laid out all over the place. Kinky as I was myself then, I could only manage two visits before the thrill wore off. Bellmore usually functioned as the Master of Ceremonies.

I always wanted to open a big time poolroom and have a special Rogues Hall of Fame section and ignore BCA people. The rogues were always my heroes anyway.

the Beard


Freddy,
I have to admit that before you started posting I had never heard of you, but I have asked some of the older players about you and they all told me the same thing that you were a roadblock in Chicago playing anything involving thinking, moving or banking. I have enjoyed your stories immensly and Grady, yourself, and OHB have been the reason I visit these forums daily.
 
freddy the beard said:
The only gambling experience I had with Junior was in Indiana. I was partners with Vince "Pancho Carelli," from Brooklyn,(a top candidate for the Rogues Gallery)
the Beard

Pancho Carelli...best one handed 3-C player I ever saw and possibly top two all time trecherous humans on earth joining "The Whale", in no particular order!!
 
man great stuff both grady and freddy........ive bought some of gradys tapes and i bought freddys banking book.....if yall wrote a book of just pool stories like this id be buying it too. Of course gettin it free works too :)
 
Voodoo Daddy said:
Pancho Carelli...best one handed 3-C player I ever saw and possibly top two all time trecherous humans on earth joining "The Whale", in no particular order!!


Pancho hung around the Billiard Den in Hollywood, CA in the late 60's. He loved to tell stories, kid around and rob out of work actors. He was probably the best player in there. I snuck Jimmy Reid in on him (he never knew it was me) and he tortured Pancho until he pulled up, quite pissed I might add.

Pancho moved to Miami and made it big in the porn book store business. He was once featured on 60 minutes for running some kind of scam. Who remembers? Freddie?

The "Whale" was this huge guy, maybe 6'4" or 5" and weighing over 400. And he could play too. When Keith won the B.C. Open and 25 Large in 1984, the Whale went to the front desk of the hotel and claimed to be Keith McCready and got a second key to Keith's room. Supposedly Keith owed him money and didn't pay.

So the Whale gets into the room and steals Keith's Szamboti. Only it wasn't Keith's, it was mine. TRUE STORY! Keith goes on to Philly and plays Jimmy Fusco and tries to give up the eight and loses his share of the winnings.
He comes home to California and I pick him up at the airport and that's when he tells me about my cue.

I am thoroughly pissed, but the Whale is hanging out at the Golden Cue in Queens, a long way away from me. He makes one mistake tho, he tells people about stealing the cue from Keith. This gets back to my friend Brooklyn Butch, a notorious tuch hog from NY, now living in L.A. Butch calls me up one day a week or so later and says he wants to talk to me.

He asks me about Keith and him playing with my cue. I tell him what happened, and he says he already knows who has it and where it is. He asks me if I want it back and I say of course. So he says to come out to his shop in Glendale later. I do and he says he will get it back. He calls the Golden Cue and asks for the Whale. After a minute, the guy comes to the phone.

Butch says hi to the Whale and then asks him if he has a cue he got from Keith. At first the guy denies having it, but finally admits he got it. Butch then tells him the cue belongs to a friend of his, Jay Helfert. The Whale is obviously unimpressed. Butch tells him he wants him to send the cue the next day UPS. I am amazed at this conversation, while I'm sitting there. Butch is smiling. Whale at first says no way he's sending the cue.

Butch says to the Whale. "If you don't send it, I'm coming back there. Do you want to see me walk into the poolroom"? "If I have to come back there and get it, I will. And you won't be too happy when you see me. You know what's gonna happen to you, don't you"?

Swear To God, that cue was in my hands within two days!

I've had a couple other amazing cue recoveries, thanks to Ming Ng and Tang Hoa, but that's another story.
 
OK!....if you friggin guys.....Grady....Freddie....Jay......don't sit down somewhere and write "the chronicles of the road" I"m gonna blow a gasket!


:D....Gerry
 
Jay - Pancho's scam

He ran the "boiler room" scam. He rented a space manned it with desks, phones and experienced salespeople. Then they solicited people to contribute to the fireman's/policeman's benevolent association.
 
Gerry said:
OK!....if you friggin guys.....Grady....Freddie....Jay......don't sit down somewhere and write "the chronicles of the road" I"m gonna blow a gasket!


:D....Gerry

I'm still waiting for Keith's book.

Jake
 
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