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The World Series of Pool Amatuer 8-Ball League is now forming. The website is up and running. It's being run by Tom Karabatsos out of Chicago who is well known in the pool community. Weekly and monthly money-added tournaments for all league members! Check it out. www.WSOPool.com
 

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The World Series of Pool Amatuer 8-Ball League is now forming. The website is up and running. It's being run by Tom Karabatsos out of Chicago who is well known in the pool community. Weekly and monthly money-added tournaments for all league members! Check it out. www.WSOPool.com
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This “Competitive Circle Handicap System" sounds about as mysterious as the APA's "Equalizer". Good luck with the league.
 
Just out of Curiousity, have you run this league system in a certain area of the country before? Tried and Tested?

How has it worked out?

I take it you are going to push forward in one key market and expand from there?
 
From the WSOP Website regarding the handicap system:

In order to help determine a player’s ability, comprehensive averages shall be kept for each player individually in the form of 15-point ball scoring, which is the cornerstone of our Competitive Circle Handicap System™.

There are a total of 15 balls in an 8-ball rack, with each ball carrying a 1-point value. When any two players play, regardless of their rank, they will keep score as follows:

The losing player gets credit for all balls made from his or her solid/striped suit. This could be from 0 to 7 balls; you would then subtract that number from the 15-ball total to determine how many points the winning player gets. If the losing player makes 3 balls, they get 3 points and the winning player would then get 12 points; 1 point for each ball made and 1 point for each ball that they leave their opponent on the table. The minimum points to the winning player is 8, the maximum is 15.

By using our point system, we at The WSOP can determine how many balls each player makes per game and how many they leave their opponent on the table when they win games. This will give us an overall average so that the accuracy of a player’s A, B, C, or D rank can be determined.

How does this system take into account opponent's balls pocketed by the winning player? For example an A player breaks and runs 4 games but in the process makes 5 balls for their opponent during the course of those 4 games (via the break). Why should the losing player who never shot get credited with the balls the winner made on the break that just happened to be in his/her suit?

thanks,

Rufus
 
stuckart,

This is Daniel, one of the Directors of the WSOP. My partner, Tom, has owned rooms, run leagues, and organized many large events in the past. We're commencing in the Chicago area to sort of, dry run, our system if you will. We're going to be bringing on League Operators nationwide in the 2nd quarter of 2011. Feel free to email me, daniel@wsopool.com, if you have any other questions.
 
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I play in an in-house league that uses this all ready. Seems to work pretty good. Break and runs are always 15-0 no matter what balls are made on the break.
 
Appreciate the luck too Rufus! We're really excited about things!

Daniel
 
The balls made during a game mean absolutely zero when it comes to players' skill level. 8-ball isn't a point-based game --- its a win/lose game. It'd be nice to see a league who allowed 8ball to be 8ball.

Track wins/losses with no handicap. Get a true win/loss average.

Then, at the end of the year--- run separate "flights" based on players' averages. For example, .750 to 1000 would be the "A" flight, .500 to .749 would be "B" flight, .250 to .499 would be "C" flight and .000 to .249 would the the "D" flight.

Each flight would be its own tournament, with its own trophies, with its own cash prizes. That way, the lesser players fight to win what's winnable and have peace of mind that others at their ability are doing the same thing and then at the end of the year---- they're grouped together and get ranked accordingly based on their flight. Better players would NEVER sandbag because the lesser flights have MUCH less $$$ prized at the end. So, if they sandbag, they're sandbagging just to enter a flight with no financial gain in the end (compared to what they could win if they actually TRIED).

Furthermore, you KNOW who the BEST players are in the league because of the real gross averages.

I always wondered why pool leagues have never taken this approach. You can then setup teams that don't have an "average" above a certain number between 4 people (or whatever).

I always thought 8-ball based on points was the wrong direction for pool. It's too easy to cheat, it defeats the purpose when it comes to strategy, and there are non-stop threads on here about people complaining.

Base everything on true averages and reward those with the best, while keeping those with the worst segregated in the end with their own kind and their own money (while keeping them happy) is the way to go.

I wish you guys the best--- seems like a good idea. I just wish the points idea went away.
 
The league I'm in is very competitive, mostly A's and above. The teams are 4 players and each player plays one rack against each player from the opposing team, only 4 games per night per player. This makes it neccesary to win each game for your team to cash. Sandbagging doesn't work, it's all or nothing.

Kai
 
Well SpiderWebComm, we're all about the players. One of the other reasons we're using the points-based system is to help in refining handicaps for our weekly and monthly tournaments for league players. Strong A's from weaker A's, strong B's from weaker B's and so forth. If you have concerns, feel free to drop me an email or call our toll-free line and we can discuss them. daniel@wsopool.com or 800.974.2923. Thanks for the luck too....can never have too much!

Regards,

Daniel - Director WSOP
 
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Well SpiderWebComm, we're all about the players. What I mean is, nothing is set in stone. If, based on player feedback, they'd like something a little different and they're logical changes we'd be willing to compromise....of course my partner Tom and I would have to discuss it first :). One of the other reasons we're using the points-based system is to help in refining handicaps for our weekly and monthly tournaments for league players. If you have concerns, feel free to drop me an email or call our toll-free line and we can discuss them. daniel@wsopool.com or 800.974.2923. Thanks for the luck too....can never have too much!

Regards,

Daniel - Director WSOP
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Please don't think my comments are "concerns" - I was merely brain-storming, that's all. Anything with handicaps where players play for the same "dollar" will never overcome sandbagging (stress NEVER).

I think whoever invents the first true-skill league with no handicaps that keeps ALL of its members happy will be a very successful group :)

That's all:thumbup:
 
To Clarify Our Handicap System

To All Players,

Just to clarify Our Competitive Circle handicap system is used to categorize players into their A,B,C, or D category. Although extremely accurate it takes weeks of playing to determine true averages. By the leagues end we do play a team tournament using points instead of games spot and you can win some cash too...IN ADDITION to the weekly and monthly money-added tournaments for league players. It's gonna be great everyone....you'll see. Both Tom and I are players and really organized this whole thing with the thought process of what's in the players' best interests.

Daniel
 
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We definitely appreciate the feedback SpiderWebb. So, this is pretty much a concensus with players across the board? I mean, both Tom and I can't stand the whole sandbagging thing. We're on a mission to eradicate it within our league....it's pretty much in our mission-statement. The way we're going to employ our handicap system is a little different than what you've seen in the past. The points are only one part of the system. We're keeping pretty intense stats that together, create a system of checks and balances to kill the sandbagging. We've eliminated all the incentive...

Daniel
 
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Daniel,

what rooms in Chicago will you be running this league system in?

Mike
 
Mike,

We're in the process of signing rooms up all over the Chicagoland area. Did you have a particular room in mind?

Daniel
 
WSOPool said:
stuckart,

This is Daniel, one of the Directors of the WSOP. My partner, Tom, has owned rooms, run leagues, and organized many large events in the past. We're commencing in the Chicago area to sort of, dry run, our system if you will. We're going to be bringing on League Operators nationwide in the 2nd quarter of 2011. Things could possibly happen quicker than that if enough interest is garnered in a specific geographic region, so exceptions can be made. Feel free to email me, daniel@wsopool.com, if you have any other questions.
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Cool! Thanks for the response. I'll monitor from afar for the first run of it and let you work out all the kinks. I imagine it would take many seasons in many areas to be able to produce a Regional or National event that people would have to travel for, but you have to start somewhere.

Good Luck!
 
I ran into Tom at Chris's Billiards in Chicago a few weeks ago, he explained the league to me and asked if i wanted to join. Unfortunately I live about 5 hours from Chicago so it wont work for me but I am anxious to see how his new handicap system pans out. Tom seems like a pretty good guy and a fairly decent straight pool player. Hope it works out.
 
Love the name. The league business & some of the mentality these days from the handicap gurus make it a tough business. I wish you guys the best of luck.
 
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Mike,

We're in the process of signing rooms up all over the Chicagoland area. Did you have a particular room in mind?

Daniel
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No I did not.................just wondering what room owners, or what league operators have signed up?

Mike
 
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