Think I found a reason why it's better to use outside english on cut shots

[poscdr09]

Who cares?

I second this motion... :bash:

I can't wait for the thread divulging the magical secret that the cue ball spins all funny-like when you dont hit it center...

 

[PocketPoint]

I havn't been here much lately, and I'm not sure who you are, but, like Dave said, nothing new has been "discovered" about game in 100 years. Skid, CTE, collision induced throw, etc.....is not new, it just gets re-hashed in different terms IMO.

now, why, in simple terms is it easier to make a ball with outside or helping spin?

lets take a cut shot to the left, and you use right spin......that will put a clockwise turn on the OB which will, if undercut, spin the OB ball down the rail at a shallower angle making the ball......if over cut in the same example, the OB will first hit the left side of the pocket with the same clockwise spin sending it into the right pocket face spinning it into the pocket. That, along with the extra bonus of avoiding a skid using outside spin, is a three fold reason why outside/helping spin helps make a ball.

again,nothing new here, this was all probably known by cavemen.

G.

ok. You taught me about the spin into the pocket. Understood, and thank you.

I'm talking about relative differences in the amount of throw on a thick vs. a thin hit. The thick hit will increase your margin of error more than the thin hit will decrease it. The net effect is a wider margin of error than a center ball hit. I say this because there is a higher degree of throw on a thicker hit.

And finally, there are people in the other thread that claim hitting with center ball or follow gives you the best chance to pocket the ball. So while people are telling me that I am not using the search function and not listening to senior members, maybe we need to PM them with the final results on this subject.

 

[trob]

Don't waste your time. All he is interested in doing is starting fights. Every aiming thread that starts he's sure to show up making fun of peoples ideas and starting fights. When thats not enough he starts his own threads to mock them instead. This is the kind of stuff that ruins forums with good people just trying to share ideas and information.

I havn't been here much lately, and I'm not sure who you are, but, like Dave said, nothing new has been "discovered" about game in 100 years. Skid, CTE, collision induced throw, etc.....is not new, it just gets re-hashed in different terms IMO.

now, why, in simple terms is it easier to make a ball with outside or helping spin?

lets take a cut shot to the left, and you use right spin......that will put a clockwise turn on the OB which will, if undercut, spin the OB ball down the rail at a shallower angle making the ball......if over cut in the same example, the OB will first hit the left side of the pocket with the same clockwise spin sending it into the right pocket face spinning it into the pocket. That, along with the extra bonus of avoiding a skid using outside spin, is a three fold reason why outside/helping spin helps make a ball.

again,nothing new here, this was all probably known by cavemen.

G.

 

[8pack]

ok what you posted right there is meaningless. i am talking about the difference between shooting the shot with center ball and outside english.

I am claiming outside english on a thick hit will increase your margin of error more than it will decrease the margin of error on a thin hit.

And I am claiming this because an OB obtains more throw on a thicker hit than a thinner hit.

What you are talking about is so general it doesn't mean anything.

Everything i said is the truth.It dosnt mattet if the shot is thick or thin.
Distance and speed will have everything to do with .
You will not approach a shot that is a foot away and a shot that is 6feet away the same way and if you do good luck cause your going to need it.:smile:

 

[sfleinen]

I havn't been here much lately, and I'm not sure who you are, but, like Dave said, nothing new has been "discovered" about game in 100 years. Skid, CTE, collision induced throw, etc.....is not new, it just gets re-hashed in different terms IMO.

now, why, in simple terms is it easier to make a ball with outside or helping spin?

lets take a cut shot to the left, and you use right spin......that will put a clockwise turn on the OB which will, if undercut, spin the OB ball down the rail at a shallower angle making the ball......if over cut in the same example, the OB will first hit the left side of the pocket with the same clockwise spin sending it into the right pocket face spinning it into the pocket. That, along with the extra bonus of avoiding a skid using outside spin, is a three fold reason why outside/helping spin helps make a ball.

again,nothing new here, this was all probably known by cavemen.

G.

The easiest explanation for PocketPoint starting this thread? Watch:

[...PocketPoint produces box of matches... strikes a match and holds lit match up in the air for all to see... then says, "Lookie here, world! Fire! Isn't it cool?"]

-Sean

 

[Cameron Smith]

Well there was a thread on this recently. Many people claimed the best way to make it was with a center ball, or with follow.

I just believe I have reason why it's better to use outside. I'm sure it has been thought of before, I've just not read it on here, or heard anyone talk about it before.

It's no secret that you can use spin to help the ball. But if you want to be a GOOD player, you need to be 100% on making all of these cut shots with left, right, bottom, follow, centre.

 

[PocketPoint]

The easiest explanation for PocketPoint starting this thread? Watch:

[...PocketPoint produces box of matches... strikes a match and holds lit match up in the air for all to see... then says, "Lookie here, world! Fire! Isn't it cool?"]

-Sean

I'm in NY and will be coming to Carmel someday to play you. One rule, no outside english on cut shots.

 

[justadub]

I'm in NY and will be coming to Carmel someday to play you. One rule, no outside english on cut shots.

I don't even gamble, but can I get some of this action?

 

[sfleinen]

I'm in NY and will be coming to Carmel someday to play you. One rule, no outside english on cut shots.

Really?!? Do you always challenge players whose speed you don't know? You're on! You name the game and the place.

-Sean

 

[justadub]

Really?!? Do you always challenge players whose speed you don't know? You're on! You name the game and the place.

-Sean

Repeating my previous post... :grin:

Where do I have to post money on this?

 

[8pack]

I'm in NY and will be coming to Carmel someday to play you. One rule, no outside english on cut shots.

I havnt seen Sean play but i can tell you by his post he plays and probably
plays pretty sporty and he's smart.(That's dangerous)
By your post i think you need the end rail from Sean But i could be wrong.

 

[TSW]

Have you tried outside english with a corkscrew action on the cue? Use your regular stroke, but right at the moment of contact, quickly twist your wrist (like you're turning a doorknob). That imparts an equal but opposite so-called "corkscrew spin" on the cue ball, which will throw the object ball onto the correct line without as much squirt or swerve.

Please go try this and report back your results. If it's not working, keep practicing until it does.







(that ought to keep him busy)

 

[poscdr09]

Really?!? Do you always challenge players whose speed you don't know?

Careful Sean, he still hasn't shared his secrets... :yikes::barf:

LOL

 

[sfleinen]

I havnt seen Sean play but i can tell you by his post he plays and probably
plays pretty sporty and he's smart.(That's dangerous)
By your post i think you need the end rail from Sean But i could be wrong.

Tony:

You're messin' with my action, bud.

-Sean

 

[bullshot]

He's trolling I think. Its best to just not respond to him. Its exactly what hewants you to do

 

[Gerry]

ok. You taught me about the spin into the pocket. Understood, and thank you.

I'm talking about relative differences in the amount of throw on a thick vs. a thin hit. The thick hit will increase your margin of error more than the thin hit will decrease it. The net effect is a wider margin of error than a center ball hit. I say this because there is a higher degree of throw on a thicker hit.

And finally, there are people in the other thread that claim hitting with center ball or follow gives you the best chance to pocket the ball. So while people are telling me that I am not using the search function and not listening to senior members, maybe we need to PM them with the final results on this subject.

I know this thread is getting a little "flaimish" , but i guess I reply because I know someone will get something out of it.

Theres a reason why you can't put a % or # on the thick v thin v throw question, and that is because there are too many variables.....

cloth type/condition
ball type/composition/cleanliness
humidity/temperature

all of these change the throw on identicle shots. The "secret" so to speak is finding a way to adjust to these ever changing variables and conditions.

 

[justadub]

Not to worry, he's out practicing right now, probably getting ready to teach Sean a thing or two. :grin::grin:

 

[Mr. Wiggles]

Age please

Why is this so silly?

Yes, my thoughts exactly. How old are you? I think it would be okay to tell us as this might explain some of your posts. You are not going to discover any SECRETS to pool that are going to change the pool world. Be real. Also begin using SEARCH and you won't have to post every time you have a thought. Above all please don't dream up WHAT IFS!! Welcome to az, all are welcome, young and old. Hell, they let me in. Come on now, we know you want to talk, so tell us your age!

 

[Llama]

I want in on this action! Let me know where to send my money.

 

[Cdryden]

I'm talking about relative differences in the amount of throw on a thick vs. a thin hit. The thick hit will increase your margin of error more than the thin hit will decrease it. The net effect is a wider margin of error than a center ball hit. I say this because there is a higher degree of throw on a thicker hit.

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Ok, I will take a crack at this. Why do you think there is a difference in spin induced throw between a thick vs thin hit? There are only 2 way that I am aware of to impart more spin onto a ball, force and surface area contact. First force; By this I mean the amount of spin the cue ball is able to transfer to the object ball. Spinning the CB faster will impart more spin on the OB.

Second, Surface Area;
When you increase the amount of surface area at the point of contact then more spin will be applied. Now since pool balls are made of phenolic resin and are very hard, there will be NO give in the balls during contact. So the surface area of the contact point is constant and always very small.

That being said hitting it thick or thin wont matter because the contact surface area wont change no matter how the 2 balls collide.

I think you are confusing what has been said about center ball hits. When you hit a CB in the center or with slight follow you have a better chance of keeping that ball traveling along a straight trajectory which in turn increases your accuracy. When you apply left or right english you are increasing the chance that the CB to follow a curved trajectory. Which will largely depend on cue angle (elevation) and force of hit.

There is a place and time for all of these types of hits and you need to practice them all.

Someone here said it best, this is probably new info to you but not new info to most.