Think I found a reason why it's better to use outside english on cut shots

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Mr. Wiggles said:
Yes, my thoughts exactly. How old are you? I think it would be okay to tell us as this might explain some of your posts. You are not going to discover any SECRETS to pool that are going to change the pool world. Be real. Also begin using SEARCH and you won't have to post every time you have a thought. Above all please don't dream up WHAT IFS!! Welcome to az, all are welcome, young and old. Hell, they let me in. Come on now, we know you want to talk, so tell us your age!
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He's just going through pool puberty,it will pass.lol
 
Mr. Wiggles said:
Yes, my thoughts exactly. How old are you? I think it would be okay to tell us as this might explain some of your posts. You are not going to discover any SECRETS to pool that are going to change the pool world. Be real. Also begin using SEARCH and you won't have to post every time you have a thought. Above all please don't dream up WHAT IFS!! Welcome to az, all are welcome, young and old. Hell, they let me in. Come on now, we know you want to talk, so tell us your age!
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Oh crap he's 12!

PocketPoint, how many times have I told you to stop messing around on that world-wide-web? Your mother and I are going to have a serious discussion with you when you get home and you will not be getting supper tonight.
 
BasementDweller said:
Oh crap he's 12!

PocketPoint, how many times have I told you to stop messing around on that world-wide-web? Your mother and I are going to have a serious discussion with you when you get home and you will not be getting supper tonight.
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I have told you and told you but you wouldnt listen.He's probably lost for ever.I have know doubt he is out running with english right now as we speak.
Good luck to you..
 
I actually feel kind of dumb now. Here I am an amateur responding to some of PocketPoints ideas, yet I now believe he is some pro player or a really good player just board and making these posts just to see how some of us lessor skilled amateur's respond. I guess its sort of like an internet forum hustle. :frown: I never gambled much so I never got hustled in real life, but now I know the feeling.
 
Cdryden said:
Ok, I will take a crack at this. Why do you think there is a difference in spin induced throw between a thick vs thin hit?...

When you apply left or right english you are increasing the chance that the CB to follow a curved trajectory. ...
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And it could be possible that the OP has an aiming errorthat is balanced by the spin-glish.

That would make it the better choicce for him.

But learning to pocket balls by spinning them into the hole is a slow death sentence, if you change conditions frequently. I M O
 
Most of you continue to feed the troll. If you don't know what that means, then you are already behind this guy.
 
evanlockhart said:
Most of you continue to feed the troll. If you don't know what that means, then you are already behind this guy.
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Oh I think most of us know about Internet Rule Number 1... This one seems harmless, and he's rather prolific. Starts several posts a day lately. At least this stuff isn't derogatory or hateful for the most part, unlike many troll-ish posts we see regularly.

Just having a little fun. He probably is, too.
 
Black-Balled said:
And it could be possible that the OP has an aiming errorthat is balanced by the spin-glish.

That would make it the better choicce for him.

But learning to pocket balls by spinning them into the hole is a slow death sentence, if you change conditions frequently. I M O
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True enough. Unfortunately I think the OP is trying to learn to run before he can walk. Pocketpoint. I think once you master the center ball hit and are routinely pocketing balls with it then you should expand to spin induced throw. Good luck to ya.
 
Cdryden said:
Ok, I will take a crack at this. Why do you think there is a difference in spin induced throw between a thick vs thin hit? There are only 2 way that I am aware of to impart more spin onto a ball, force and surface area contact. First force; By this I mean the amount of spin the cue ball is able to transfer to the object ball. Spinning the CB faster will impart more spin on the OB.

Second, Surface Area;
When you increase the amount of surface area at the point of contact then more spin will be applied. Now since pool balls are made of phenolic resin and are very hard, there will be NO give in the balls during contact. So the surface area of the contact point is constant and always very small.

That being said hitting it thick or thin wont matter because the contact surface area wont change no matter how the 2 balls collide.

I have to disagree with this last statement. If you shoot 2 shots soft speed with loads of english it is clear that a thicker hit (say center ball to half ball cut)will throw more than a thin hit (less than half ball cut). So even though the contact area is the same the thicker hit will stay with the cue ball longer and throw it more.

As far as what english is truely more accurate i would wager bottom english. No left or right to throw it, and with the cue ball spinning backwards the object ball goes to a natural roll as soon as contact is made. If you used top english you would transfer some draw onto the object ball.
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I'll name the game....

sfleinen said:
Really?!? Do you always challenge players whose speed you don't know? You're on! You name the game and the place.

-Sean
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It's called "I Win"... How it works is, for every ball you pocket, you pay me 20 dollars and for every ball I pocket you pay me 100 dollars....

J.K.. we should PPV this, he doesn't seem to have a clue...

Jaden
 
I have question .(For pocket point.)
Left hand english can cause the object ball to skid.
Which way does the ball have to be cut? and which way is the ob skidding?

Just having fun here.:grin:
 
Forfeiture of Forum Privileges

PocketPoint said:
I am fearful to share this, because if I actually am right, I don't want to help out my competition.

What to do......
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Did you know that an Apophasic Post (see forum rule 12.4-1a) is grounds for forfeiting your posting privileges? Unless you are Johnny Archer.
 
Well I'm back and I am appauled at what this thread has turned into.

An honest discussion about pool has turned into a full blown circus.
 
I read a post where you said people are coming at you like Egyptian Protesters..... Thank you for the laugh :grin-square:
 
PocketPoint said:
Well I'm back and I am appauled at what this thread has turned into.

An honest discussion about pool has turned into a full blown circus.
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Hey, I replied to your question in a honest and thorough manner (which you never replied to). Now I'm thinking you just wanted to argue with someone so you decided to start this thread. This is why people are reluctant to help you in the first place. You can now add me to the list of those people.
 
Cdryden said:
Hey, I replied to your question in a honest and thorough manner (which you never replied to). Now I'm thinking you just wanted to argue with someone so you decided to start this thread. This is why people are reluctant to help you in the first place. You can now add me to the list of those people.
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I'm getting to it. I'll respond to EVERYONE that responded to me. Do not worry!
 
Cdryden said:
Ok, I will take a crack at this. Why do you think there is a difference in spin induced throw between a thick vs thin hit? There are only 2 way that I am aware of to impart more spin onto a ball, force and surface area contact. First force; By this I mean the amount of spin the cue ball is able to transfer to the object ball. Spinning the CB faster will impart more spin on the OB.

Second, Surface Area;
When you increase the amount of surface area at the point of contact then more spin will be applied. Now since pool balls are made of phenolic resin and are very hard, there will be NO give in the balls during contact. So the surface area of the contact point is constant and always very small.

That being said hitting it thick or thin wont matter because the contact surface area wont change no matter how the 2 balls collide.

I think you are confusing what has been said about center ball hits. When you hit a CB in the center or with slight follow you have a better chance of keeping that ball traveling along a straight trajectory which in turn increases your accuracy. When you apply left or right english you are increasing the chance that the CB to follow a curved trajectory. Which will largely depend on cue angle (elevation) and force of hit.

There is a place and time for all of these types of hits and you need to practice them all.

Someone here said it best, this is probably new info to you but not new info to most.
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Here is my answer to you:

Cut a ball at 89 degrees with maximum outside english, and measure the amount of throw.

Then cut a ball 1 degree with maximum outside english, and again measure the throw.

Will both OB's have the same amount of throw? I say the 1 degree cut will have a greater amount of throw.
 
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