Think Long, Think Wrong: Paying Entry Fees Beforehand

JAM

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The 128-player field for the $25,000-added Turning Stone tournament for the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour is filled up. The event is September 8-11, 2011: Player List for Turning Stone.

According to this article on AzBilliards Main Page, it is my understanding that this tournament is used as a ranking event for the Mosconi Cup. Here is the list of tournaments:

Steve Mizerak Championship 4-7 November.
Turning Stone Winter 16-19 December
The Masters 1-5 March
Players Championship, Valley Forge 13-16 March
Ultimate 10 Ball Championship 21-24 April
US Open 10 Ball Championship 16-21 May
Seminole Tour Event 3 5-7 August

Turning Stone Summer 8-11 September
Seminole Tour Event 5, Steve Mizerak Championship 16-18 September
The US Open 9-Ball Championship 16-22 October


The US Mosconi Cup Ranking consists of 10 events throughout the United States, culminating in the US Open in October. Points will be allocated as per the BCA Points List and each event will be weighted depending on total purse, size of field and number of top-ranked players competing.

Only players finishing in the last 32 of each event will be allocated points and players will be allowed to drop their worst finish of the ten event series. At the conclusion, after the 2011 US Open, the top three players will automatically gain entry to the Mosconi Cup side.

The remaining two players will be Matchroom Sport wildcard picks although the ranking will play a part in this.


There are a few names of Mosconi Cup contenders that are missing from the Turning Stone event. I do remember reading that Cory and Mike Dechaine will be in Philippines attending a tournament:

Mike Dechaine and Corey Deuel both miss the next Mosconi event as they are on duty for the USA in the forthcoming PartyPoker.net World Cup of Pool in Manila. However, all players will drop their worst finish from the list in order to compensate for this.

Here is the player list, which I believe is invitational, for the World Cup of Pool, with only two Americans' names on it:

Europe (15)

Austria – Jasmin Ouschan & Mario He
Croatia – Carlo Dalmatin & Ivica Putnik or Philipp Stojanovic
England – Darren Appleton & Chris Melling
Estonia – Dennis Grabe & Erki Erm
Finland – Mika Immonen & Petri Makkonen
France – Stephan Cohen & Vincent Facquet
Germany - Ralf Souquet & Thorsten Hohmann
Holland – Huidji See & Marco Teutscher
Italy – Fabio Petroni & Bruno Muratore
Malta – Tony Drago & Alex Borg
Poland - Karol Skowerski & Radoslaw Babica
Russia – Konstantin Stepanov & Ruslan Chinakhov
Spain – David Alcaide & Francisco Diaz-Pizarro
Sweden – Marcus Chamat & Thomas Mehtala
Switzerland – Dimitri Jungo & Ronni Regli

Asia (13)

China – Li Hewen & Fu Jianbo
Hong Kong – Lee Chenman & Kenny Kwok
India – Raj Hundal & Amar Kang
Indonesia – Irsal Nasution & Riyan Setiawan
Japan - Yukio Akagariyama & Lo Li-wen
Korea – Lee Gun Jae & Hwang Yong
Malaysia – Ibrahim Amir & Patrick Ooi
Philippines A – Dennis Orcollo & Ronnie Alcano
Philippines B – Efren Reyes & Francisco Bustamante
Singapore - Bernard Tey & Chan Keng Kwang
Taiwan – Ko Pin-yi & Ko Ping-chun
Thailand - Nitiwat Kanjanasri & Kobkit Palajin
Vietnam - Nguyen Phuc Long & Luong Chi Dung

Rest of the World (4)

Australia – Greg Jenkins & David Rothall
Canada – Jason Klatt & John Morra
Kuwait – Khaled Al Mutaira & Omar Al Shaheen
USA – Corey Deuel & Mike Dechaine


Wow! 15 Europeans, 18 Asians, and 2 Americans. :frown:

I have said it before, and I will say it again. If Mike Zuglan's Joss Tour event can get players to pay their entry fee ahead of time, before the Turning Stone event starts, as does Allen Hopkins for the Pro event at the Super Billiards Expo, I would think the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship could do the same.

It is well known that pool players procrastinate and pay their entry fees at the last minute, but for some pretigious and/or lucrative tournaments, they seem to be able to garner up the funds to pay these entry fees.

I think this practice of paying the entry fee on site the day of the event sucks a big weanie. If a cutoff date were established, the event might get less players one year, but I'll betcha the next year, those same players who missed out will pay that entry fee on time, ahead of time. This would help with getting the chart prepared with the draw as well as allowing the promoter to know an exact number of entry fee funds he has to work with.
 
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I'm also surprised either of these two Americans would pass up a Mosconi cup point event. At least there, they would be guaranteed a minimum of a $10,000 payday.
 
WCOP Teams are by county. Each county gets one team. Philippines gets two teams because they are the host county.

US gets one team because the US is one country.

--Jeff
 
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WCOP Teams are by county. Each county gets one team. Philippines gets two teams because they are the host county.

US gets one team because the US is one country.

--Jeff

That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. :smile:

It is advantageous in the pool world to be a player from a European country. You get benefits from the North American BCA if you live in the States. Plus, Team Europe gets to draw from a slew of countries for the Mosconi Cup. Team USA draws from one country. :p
 
That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. :smile:

It is advantageous in the pool world to be a player from a European country. You get benefits from the North American BCA if you live in the States. Plus, Team Europe gets to draw from a slew of countries for the Mosconi Cup. Team USA draws from one country. :p

Too bad the US can't have a team from every state!!!!!! That might make it more like Europe!

--Jeff
 
Too bad the US can't have a team from every state!!!!!! That might make it more like Europe!

--Jeff
That's a good point. Except for maybe a handful of states, I would bet there is more than enough talent in this country to meet that obligation.
 
Too bad the US can't have a team from every state!!!!!! That might make it more like Europe!

--Jeff

No it wouldn't.
USA is 1 country with many states. Europe is 1 continent with many countries.
You could set up a system that was based on population and how many participants a given country could have, but i don't think it would change much.
Finland (where Mr. Immonen hails from) has a population of 5.2 million
USA has 312 million.
But then again China would trump us all with their 1.3 billion!
 
I'm also surprised either of these two Americans would pass up a Mosconi cup point event. At least there, they would be guaranteed a minimum of a $10,000 payday.

Read the last line of the paragraph. Because they are playing in the world cup, everyone will drop their worst finish. Since Dechaine has played in all the other events, dropping this one won't hurt. He is already in first and doesn't look to be relinquishing that spot.

Also, I though Raj Hundal was British? I know he is of Indian decent, but I thought he was an English citizen? Is he using his Indian nationality to get a spot since the GB spots were taken or does he have a dual citizenship? Just curious.
 
Read the last line of the paragraph. Because they are playing in the world cup, everyone will drop their worst finish. Since Dechaine has played in all the other events, dropping this one won't hurt. He is already in first and doesn't look to be relinquishing that spot.

Also, I though Raj Hundal was British? I know he is of Indian decent, but I thought he was an English citizen? Is he using his Indian nationality to get a spot since the GB spots were taken or does he have a dual citizenship? Just curious.

Yeah I saw that, but I don't think Corey is automatic. Financially speaking, I was just looking at it as some guaranteed money playing in the Mosconi cup as well as the possibility of winning the Turning stone event itself (not to mention it would'nt cost as much to get to Turning stone).
 
Also, I though Raj Hundal was British? I know he is of Indian decent, but I thought he was an English citizen? Is he using his Indian nationality to get a spot since the GB spots were taken or does he have a dual citizenship? Just curious.



I don`t know the answer to your question regards dual citizenship. But, what I know is that in the past on various occasions Raj represented India. Amar King who is also representing India lives in sacramento, CA but was born in India.He is Tony Chohan`s first cousin.:cool:
 
Read the last line of the paragraph. Because they are playing in the world cup, everyone will drop their worst finish. Since Dechaine has played in all the other events, dropping this one won't hurt. He is already in first and doesn't look to be relinquishing that spot.
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Shane has been busy: http://www.azbilliards.com/racetomosconi-us.php

Several strong players are within striking distance, but two players would have to pass Dechaine to put him in fourth, and he has a 100-120 point lead over the next two places. He's in good shape but not a lock.
 
Shane has been busy: http://www.azbilliards.com/racetomosconi-us.php

Several strong players are within striking distance, but two players would have to pass Dechaine to put him in fourth, and he has a 100-120 point lead over the next two places. He's in good shape but not a lock.

Wow Bob, you're not kidding! Shane put the hurt on the field recently.

That would be a pretty good team. I would like to see those top three get in. I imagine the other two choices would most likely be Archer and Morris, although I would like to see Hatch in again.
 
I don't think that Corey and Mike need worry unduly.

The WCOP and the Mosconi Cup are both Matchroom events and in the unlikely casse that either them don/t meet the points target then................................. (add your own ending)
 
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