This Aiming System Crap is Killing Me

[JB Cases]

I sure as hell did. You're right. Because no system works the same for other people. Vision, tension, muscle strength and memory, ah hell... I don't need to explain this again. Bottom line is, people talk about their system like if you could master it, you'd be some pool guru. Sure. If you could master the behind the back, look away, and practiced it enough, it's gonna be great and would work just as well. It depends on what you master. Whatever works.

Example: If I could master using my Johnson as a cue and practiced with it ten hours a day, I'd probably get pretty proficient in pocketing balls too over the years.

By the way, I might just do that.

There are plenty of habits and methods out there. Don't try to find one solution guys. View them all and work out the best for you. Yourself. What is workable for some, is not another man's answer. Or it might be.

We've all acquired habits and muscle memory over the years (or months for you newbies). Use the best ones and try to get rid of the stupid shit. Simple. There is no formula or magic potion. Sure, certain things will help. So use what works....for you. What you want to happen is your muscle memory to work well for you when the heat is on. That's when it counts.

Yeah, but here's the deal - what would you think if you and I played for $500 a set and you bet me three sets say like 9:4 each set and I missed a lot of critical shots, semi tough shots, pressure shots etc....

If I came back the next week and played you for a $1000 a set and then the sets were closer and I won a few and lost a few and didn't miss as many what would you think? Then if I came back the third week and beat you easily because I was making everything then I think you'd have to conclude that I was either taking drugs or something had changed in those two weeks.

There are formulas and magic potions. The formulas are called routines and systems and little tricks here and there that you learn. The magic potions are called vicodin, cocaine, percoset, valium, uppers, poppers, budweiser, jack and coke, just coke, etc....

What would you think if you asked me what changed and I said here I will show you and I then showed you a system that made it much easier to pocket balls, especially the tough shots? What if you tried it and found it to be true? What would you think then?

It brutally easy to dismiss anything like that when it's described in words on this forum. It's a lot harder to dismiss it when you are on the table and you see it live.

That is the fundamental problem that we won't ever resolve on this forum. If I did a hundred videos running a million balls and said I used CTE on every shot there would still be people who say it's impossible. No one - and I mean NO ONE is saying CTE is the be-all-end-all of playing pool.

No matter what in every sport you will have the "feel" camp vs. the "method" camp. Go on any sports forum and you will see the same debates. Feel campers will always consider anything other than endless repetition and drills to be gimmicks. Method campers will always look to shorten the learning curve and figure out what think are "better" ways to do things.

 

[manwon]

Yeah, but here's the deal - what would you think if you and I played for $500 a set and you bet me three sets say like 9:4 each set and I missed a lot of critical shots, semi tough shots, pressure shots etc....

If I came back the next week and played you for a $1000 a set and then the sets were closer and I won a few and lost a few and didn't miss as many what would you think? Then if I came back the third week and beat you easily because I was making everything then I think you'd have to conclude that I was either taking drugs or something had changed in those two weeks.

There are formulas and magic potions. The formulas are called routines and systems and little tricks here and there that you learn. The magic potions are called vicodin, cocaine, percoset, valium, uppers, poppers, budweiser, jack and coke, just coke, etc....

What would you think if you asked me what changed and I said here I will show you and I then showed you a system that made it much easier to pocket balls, especially the tough shots? What if you tried it and found it to be true? What would you think then?

It brutally easy to dismiss anything like that when it's described in words on this forum. It's a lot harder to dismiss it when you are on the table and you see it live.

That is the fundamental problem that we won't ever resolve on this forum. If I did a hundred videos running a million balls and said I used CTE on every shot there would still be people who say it's impossible. No one - and I mean NO ONE is saying CTE is the be-all-end-all of playing pool.

No matter what in every sport you will have the "feel" camp vs. the "method" camp. Go on any sports forum and you will see the same debates. Feel campers will always consider anything other than endless repetition and drills to be gimmicks. Method campers will always look to shorten the learning curve and figure out what think are "better" ways to do things.

If I came back the next week and played you for a $1000 a set and then the sets were closer and I won a few and lost a few and didn't miss as many what would you think? Then if I came back the third week and beat you easily because I was making everything then I think you'd have to conclude that I was either taking drugs or something had changed in those two weeks.


If you could do all that in just two weeks John, I think you would have a great deal in common with Paul Newman and the part he played in the Color of Money, that would really be cool John!!! But this is not a Movie, at least not yet!!!!!!

Shit John did you ever work in a Toy Store, is your real name Vincent!!!!

 

[JB Cases]

What are the clear facts?

These are very simple just because some one makes the most noise doesn't mean that they are Right, sometimes those who have the least say make the most impact and the most sense.

While I am certain you may not believe it defending point is fine, but defending your point when it was never challenged is Paranoia.

Good Night John

You're right but that doesn't mean that the loudest person is wrong either.

You made a statement that people aren't presenting the "clear facts" and I would like to know what the clear facts are about what which aren't being presented?

This thread is about what types of techniques have merit and validity in pool. One camp thinks it's all about feel and the other camp thinks that certain methods can used to help people learn.

 

[JB Cases]

If I came back the next week and played you for a $1000 a set and then the sets were closer and I won a few and lost a few and didn't miss as many what would you think? Then if I came back the third week and beat you easily because I was making everything then I think you'd have to conclude that I was either taking drugs or something had changed in those two weeks.


If you could do all that in just two weeks John, I think you would have a great deal in common with Paul Newman and the part he played in the Color of Money, that would really be cool John!!! But this is not a Movie, at least not yet!!!!!!

Shit John did you ever work in a Toy Store, is your real name Vincent!!!!

Craig,

Have you ever played pool for money? I have seen people go from being B players to A players in the space of one trip to the bathroom. I have seen people jump two balls in speed after a week or two of quality instruction.

Not to mention that I could really be an A player who was just off the first two weeks - not hustling - just off my game.

I have played pool for money a lot in my life - all over the world. I have booked a lot of losers and booked some winners too. Crawfish knows just what I mean in my post.

I don't think that you do. I know you own the pool room and you probably have a little action in there from time to time but I doubt you know what the world of matching up is really all about. I doubt that you have ever been in a strange town betting your last couple hundred and had to come with it or face being flat busted hundreds of miles from home.

In the last ten years my life in that world has slowed WAY down. But from the time I was 19 till the time I was about 32 I was hunting action at every chance. So take it from me that on this particular subject I know exactly what I am talking about.

And it's not a movie when you're playing on your own dime with your net worth in your pocket and you're ass is puckered so tight you can make change from pennies.

Tell me if you have ever been in those types of spots and we can talk.

 

[manwon]

Craig,

Have you ever played pool for money? I have seen people go from being B players to A players in the space of one trip to the bathroom. I have seen people jump two balls in speed after a week or two of quality instruction.

Not to mention that I could really be an A player who was just off the first two weeks - not hustling - just off my game.

I have played pool for money a lot in my life - all over the world. I have booked a lot of losers and booked some winners too. Crawfish knows just what I mean in my post.

I don't think that you do. I know you own the pool room and you probably have a little action in there from time to time but I doubt you know what the world of matching up is really all about. I doubt that you have ever been in a strange town betting your last couple hundred and had to come with it or face being flat busted hundreds of miles from home.

In the last ten years my life in that world has slowed WAY down. But from the time I was 19 till the time I was about 32 I was hunting action at every chance. So take it from me that on this particular subject I know exactly what I am talking about.

And it's not a movie when you're playing on your own dime with your net worth in your pocket and you're ass is puckered so tight you can make change from pennies.

Tell me if you have ever been in those types of spots and we can talk.

John from what I heard the last time you were matched up in Arkansas against Billy Webb you certainly did not fair that well in fact you pulled up. Now you can say it never happened or you can tell the truth and admit that it did, or maybe some how you don't remember it, but if you play like that you must be starvin Marvin!!!!!!

John, I am sorry I don't have a history close to your's, but I will say this I have lost and won a few thousand at a time on my own dime as you say, and either way my ass never puckered up like you claim your's has, it's only money John, suckers are born every minute of the day!!!

Take Care

 

[JB Cases]

John from what I heard the last time you were matched up in Arkansas against Billy Webb you certainly did not fair that well in fact you pulled up. Now you can say it never happened or you can tell the truth and admit that it did, or maybe some how you don't remember it, but if you play like that you must be starvin Marvin!!!!!!

John, I am sorry I don't have a history close to your's, but I will say this I have lost and won a few thousand at a time on my own dime as you say, and either way my ass never puckered up like you claim your's has, it's only money John, suckers are born every minute of the day!!!

Take Care

Who the hell is Billy Webb? I don't remember playing him but if he was that good and I pulled up then that was the smart move. I didn't say I beat everyone I ever played and I certainly don't remember every two bit game I ever played. What did he win a couple hundred? He must have been that guy I played on that trap table in that little rinky dink bar in Little Rock.

I made some good scores in Arkansas and lost a few times too. Guess you didn't hear about the times I won didja?

Tell me some other stories about me playing let's see how good your intel is?

All I know is that I have been there and done that and you talk you haven't. Not saying you haven't but you certainly don't seem to have the street cred of one who has been out there on the road on your own dime.

If you're calling me a sucker then feel free to cut a loose a couple of those thousand and let's you and me match up some. We will see whose ass puckers then. I like to play one pocket.

 

[ribdoner]

John from what I heard the last time you were matched up in Arkansas against Billy Webb you certainly did not fair that well in fact you pulled up. Now you can say it never happened or you can tell the truth and admit that it did, or maybe some how you don't remember it, but if you play like that you must be starvin Marvin!!!!!!

John, I am sorry I don't have a history close to your's, but I will say this I have lost and won a few thousand at a time on my own dime as you say, and either way my ass never puckered up like you claim your's has, it's only money John, suckers are born every minute of the day!!!

Take Care

JOHN,



say it aint so, or, was Billy layin down on the few occasions i saw him play


(imo Billy is a good player, but, i thought John could really play...wait, didn't Jimbo rob him and, iirc, Eric made his elbow lock up or was that in an alternate reality)

i'm glad i learned how to play before i learned how to read

 

[ribdoner]

Who the hell is Billy Webb? I don't remember playing him but if he was that good and I pulled up then that was the smart move. I didn't say I beat everyone I ever played and I certainly don't remember every two bit game I ever played. What did he win a couple hundred? He must have been that guy I played on that trap table in that little rinky dink bar in Little Rock.

I made some good scores in Arkansas and lost a few times too. Guess you didn't hear about the times I won didja?

Tell me some other stories about me playing let's see how good your intel is?

All I know is that I have been there and done that and you talk you haven't. Not saying you haven't but you certainly don't seem to have the street cred of one who has been out there on the road on your own dime.

If you're calling me a sucker then feel free to cut a loose a couple of those thousand and let's you and me match up some. We will see whose ass puckers then. I like to play one pocket.[/QUOT


THANKS for clearing that up, my faith is restored

 

[JB Cases]

JOHN,



say it aint so, or, was Billy layin down on the few occasions i saw him play


(imo Billy is a good player, but, i thought John could really play...wait, didn't Jimbo rob him and, iirc, Eric made his elbow lock up or was that in an alternate reality)

i'm glad i learned how to play before i learned how to read

I have no idea who Billy Webb is. I don't remember him at all. I have lost plenty of times to people I shouldn't have and I have beaten people I shouldn't have as well. I certainly blew the match to Jimbo when I had it well in hand and Eric blew his shot at getting in my pocket by mouthing off.

All I know is that I have more heart than Eric and Jimbo combined and certainly more than most players I meet.

Now Dave Gross says that having a lot of "heart" is equal to being stupid and that may be the case but I have shipped it all in on plenty of occasions.

In fact if you wanted to do a poll about who among us has put more of their own money in action over the time they have been playing pool I'd bet that on this forum I am easily in the top five among my caliber of players. I have to qualify that because i know that some bonafide shortstops and road players and pros post here.

 

[manwon]

Who the hell is Billy Webb? I don't remember playing him but if he was that good and I pulled up then that was the smart move. I didn't say I beat everyone I ever played and I certainly don't remember every two bit game I ever played. What did he win a couple hundred? He must have been that guy I played on that trap table in that little rinky dink bar in Little Rock.

I made some good scores in Arkansas and lost a few times too. Guess you didn't hear about the times I won didja?

Tell me some other stories about me playing let's see how good your intel is?

All I know is that I have been there and done that and you talk you haven't. Not saying you haven't but you certainly don't seem to have the street cred of one who has been out there on the road on your own dime.

If you're calling me a sucker then feel free to cut a loose a couple of those thousand and let's you and me match up some. We will see whose ass puckers then. I like to play one pocket.

John, the last time you agreed to match up with some one on this forum you talked a real big game. But then when he approached you for the match up you did not have much to say, and the match never happened, hell the hole forum saw it, it was on tape. But, it did look like the pucker factor was in full effect, you want to make a bet, I bet that you couldn't shit for a week!!!!!!:grin:

John don't you ever get tired of being in the middle all the forum Drama, it kinda sticks to you like a magnet, or even glue. Do you think it just follows you around or do you create it, I think some one should start a Poll on this subject!!:idea2::idea::grin-angelic:

John, I do not have time for your INTERNET Woofing, You Da Man John, You Da Man!!!!!

You win John like I said you Da Man!!!!

 

[JB Cases]

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John, the last time you agreed to match up with some one on this forum you talked a real big game. But then when he approached you for the match up you did not have much to say, and the match never happened, hell the hole forum saw it, it was on tape. But, it did look like the pucker factor was in full effect, you want to make a bet, I bet that you couldn't shit for a week!!!!!!:grin:

John don't you ever get tired of being in the middle all the forum Drama, it kinda sticks to you like a magnet, or even glue. Do you think it just follows you around or do you create it, I think some one should start a Poll on this subject!!:idea2::idea::grin-angelic:

John, I do not have time for your INTERNET Woofing, You Da Man John, You Da Man!!!!!

You win John like I said you Da Man!!!!

What you saw on video was me saying and doing EXACTLY what I said I would do.

You wanted facts, that's the facts.

I am not in the middle of any forum drama. This is a thread where we are talking about competing philosophies on how to play pool and you are now bringing in the government, and bait and switch and a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Seems to me like you are the one who is creating drama here and taking this thread in other directions.

 

[manwon]

What you saw on video was me saying and doing EXACTLY what I said I would do.

You wanted facts, that's the facts.

I am not in the middle of any forum drama. This is a thread where we are talking about competing philosophies on how to play pool and you are now bringing in the government, and bait and switch and a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Seems to me like you are the one who is creating drama here and taking this thread in other directions.

John the thread that is still here on the forum doesn't bear out what you are saying, so I think at least in my opinion based upon that thread and the threads that followed it what you claim are facts is nothing more than your opinion.

John there is no competing philosophies in this thread only opinions, think about John no matter how much noise you make the facts are the facts so we do agree on something John.

Take Care

 

[JB Cases]

John the thread that is still here on the forum doesn't bear out what you are saying, so I think at least in my opinion based upon that thread and the threads that followed it what you claim are facts is nothing more than your opinion.

John there is no competing philosophies in this thread only opinions, think about John no matter how much noise you make the facts are the facts so we do agree on something John.

Take Care

Why don't you read the last post on that thread? I said I wasn't going to play and why I wasn't going to play.

And I did exactly what I said I would do and didn't play. I told Eric exactly how I felt about him right to his face as I said I would.

As for Billy Webb are you talking about the cue maker Billy Webb? I don't recall EVER playing him for anything. When and where and for how much did we play for?

It must not have been much since I can't even remember it.

 

[12310bch]

(My aiming system only works when I lift the seat.)



is deflection a factor?

No, but squirt is.

 

[crawfish]

Yeah, but here's the deal - what would you think if you and I played for $500 a set and you bet me three sets say like 9:4 each set and I missed a lot of critical shots, semi tough shots, pressure shots etc....

If I came back the next week and played you for a $1000 a set and then the sets were closer and I won a few and lost a few and didn't miss as many what would you think? Then if I came back the third week and beat you easily because I was making everything then I think you'd have to conclude that I was either taking drugs or something had changed in those two weeks.

There are formulas and magic potions. The formulas are called routines and systems and little tricks here and there that you learn. The magic potions are called vicodin, cocaine, percoset, valium, uppers, poppers, budweiser, jack and coke, just coke, etc....

What would you think if you asked me what changed and I said here I will show you and I then showed you a system that made it much easier to pocket balls, especially the tough shots? What if you tried it and found it to be true? What would you think then?

It brutally easy to dismiss anything like that when it's described in words on this forum. It's a lot harder to dismiss it when you are on the table and you see it live.

That is the fundamental problem that we won't ever resolve on this forum. If I did a hundred videos running a million balls and said I used CTE on every shot there would still be people who say it's impossible. No one - and I mean NO ONE is saying CTE is the be-all-end-all of playing pool.

No matter what in every sport you will have the "feel" camp vs. the "method" camp. Go on any sports forum and you will see the same debates. Feel campers will always consider anything other than endless repetition and drills to be gimmicks. Method campers will always look to shorten the learning curve and figure out what think are "better" ways to do things.

First, I would think I dogged it terribly. Just kidding. Actually, I have watched you play a guy here in Raleigh. Anyway, now you're making sense. Basically, I'm trying to get across that NO ONE SYSTEM will make people into a guru. Thanks for contributing and helping me make my point.

 

[crawfish]

Now, isn't this fun? I knew I'd draw out this crowd with the original thread. Yeehaaa.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Example: If I could master using my Johnson as a cue and practiced with it ten hours a day, I'd probably get pretty proficient in pocketing balls too over the years.

Yeah, but what about the longer shots? :grin-square::grin:

Best,
Brian kc :duck:

 

[crawfish]

Yeah, but what about the longer shots? :grin-square::grin:

Best,
Brian kc :duck:

I'd just use the ol' Johnson to reach down, grab the ball and drop it into the hole. I'm sure I could have quite the talented Johnson if I worked hard at it and taught it the right system.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

a new system is born...

I'd just use the ol' Johnson to reach down, grab the ball and drop it into the hole. I'm sure I could have quite the talented Johnson if I worked hard at it and taught it the right system.

The tip-to-ball system, no doubt. lol.

Meanwhile, if your objective with this thread was to stir the pot, may I say, you have done a magnificent job, sir. :thumbup:

Best,
Brian kc

 

[crawfish]

The tip-to-ball system, no doubt. lol.

Meanwhile, if your objective with this thread was to stir the pot, may I say, you have done a magnificent job, sir. :thumbup:

Best,
Brian kc

I aim to please, and thank you.