this is a great piece of history

I was in So. IL a couple weeks ago and took a pic of this table....There's no head name plate on the top rail, but there is a stamped in logo from Brunswick.
 

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I think many do not realize that alot of the fancy 1800's tables where billiard tables converted to pocket tables. I sold Mark an 1872 Exposition Novelty . He has restored as many tables and sold to numerous sports figures an celebrities as anyone. Some very high end tables . I have seen converted house cues sold as customs for 2500 4500 and cnc cues at 100,000 . It took me over 3 yrs an $1000,s to restore my novelty . So like cues whos to say its over priced.




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It's a beautiful table, but I also have to wonder about the reasons behind the conversion. Wouldn't most collectors prefer to have it as original as possible? If you want a playing table anything else in the world is a cheaper option.
 
TSW said:
It's a beautiful table, but I also have to wonder about the reasons behind the conversion. Wouldn't most collectors prefer to have it as original as possible? If you want a playing table anything else in the world is a cheaper option.
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I can imagine two types of people buying it... one is a serious collector of pool memorabilia and is all about the history and provenance of the piece. They'd want the unmodified original.

The other is some rich jackass who wants something Very Nice in his den :) It's strictly to impress guests, and he only wants enough backstory to make it clear this is an extremely expensive and rare piece. He doesn't want to deal with stupid questions like "where's the pockets?"
 
To me it looks like an old dinning room table and someone took the legs off a pool table and put the slate and rail on it. The top in no way matches/goes with the legs. That table won't sell for 30% of the asking price. Johnnyt
 
I'd like see one of the master table mechanics we have on AZ look at the table. Johnnyt
 
As a general rule collectors want items in original condition. However, if the modifications are documented and common for the period, the value isn't diminished as much as as an undocumented, weird item.

For example, if a Civil War soldier modified the front sight of his rifle to accept a bayonet, that wouldn't diminish the value too much (assuming you also have the bayonet). It's part of the rifle's history.

The billiard table appears to have a history. I don't think it's $375,000-worth of history...but then again, I play with a Player's HXTE $130 cue.
 
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Its easy to tell on these old Brunswicks the rails legs side and end cabinets are all numbered .Im amazed at people who argue about a price of a table , 500 for a valley bar rag while playing with a 1000 production cue. I seen a guy turn down 300,000 for a cue.just saying
 
CreeDo said:
I can imagine two types of people buying it... one is a serious collector of pool memorabilia and is all about the history and provenance of the piece. They'd want the unmodified original.

The other is some rich jackass who wants something Very Nice in his den :) It's strictly to impress guests, and he only wants enough backstory to make it clear this is an extremely expensive and rare piece. He doesn't want to deal with stupid questions like "where's the pockets?"
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i think this is a one off table and it is what it is, I doubt there is a choice in finding one thats unmodified. I agree there are only 2 types of buyers, i know the seller and he had the biggest collection of cues, tables, cue racks ever. millions upon millions of dollars. This table i'm certain is the only one like it.
 
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