Your talking to his stakehorse......way to go PURDMAN.That was some exciting shit.cmsmith9 said:
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This Is An Absolute Disgrace........
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jimmy-leggs said:
I hope your not saying that the Tribe is not a legitimate business. They run a highly successful mega billion dollar business. Their largesse towards pool is something that is not recognized by the pool world as much as they deserve, and they have been supporting pool for a long time too.
To get 78 players to play in a regional event, you need to have lots of shortstops (AKA easy draw) and enthusiasts (AKA byes to the pros) to play. 1k entry fee will weed out ALL of the above mentioned AND a good percentage of "dont have a job, just play pool" folks as well. Sure you might get 78 players to fork over 1k, but it wont be at a regional event and you would be hard pressed to get that at even a national event. I hope some promoter gets some sort of tour together that can make me eat my words. I really do.
jimmy-leggs said:
A legitimate business person with contacts in the industry, the skill to court sponsors, the diplomacy to run a tour, the intelligence to put together a solid business model and a rather large bank account to get things rolling. It's not just a matter of ANY business person wanting to promote/produce a tour, it takes quite a bit in my opinion.
I'm NOT saying the tribe at all,just in general .They do a great job and if they make pool payouts bigger I commend them.uwate said:
At least Charlie and Allen are doing something for the game.pooldawg1 said:
$3500 thats 100 gallons of gas, 20 years ago a pro tournment would pay 10K and gas was 79 cents a gallon, it aint looking good, I have one friend who is a pro, now he is a poker player full time and has a nice house cars etc. sadly I dont see pool making a turn for along time, what do the rookies have to motivate them to become great players, i play because I love to play but man if I had the talent to earn a living playing pool I wouldnt be doing it.
uwate said:
Cut it off at 16 players.........
After you add in the Seminole Tribe MAJOR contribution and the local pool hall's contribution. I think we may be up to about $24,000.00 with Entry fee of $1,000 and 16 players. Pay four places (25% of the field)$10,000 for first, $7500 for second, $4000 for third and $2,500 for fourth.
Since it is small field, make them play a LONG SET maybe race to 30 or so to give every player a chance to let out their stroke.
AZ could come up with a horse or two and one or two thousand in cash to act as a stake horse. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the other forums wouldn't step up to the plate with a horse of their own. I know Billiards Digest has some well to do forum members and RSB has members all over the world. I would be willing to bet that those three forums alone would belly up the entry fee for a player of their choice.
Then you could always send Smorgasbored around with some football cards I mean some pool cards to generate some additional funds. Skip that idea, he would just eat and drink the profits until there was nothing left.
Anyway, it would be nice to see higher prize money if the players would belly-up the larger entry fees. Perhaps then, the sponsors might take a close look at putting up a spot light or two.
I would like to see a winner take all tournament with 16 players each putting up $1000 entry fee. Stakehorses would be willing to send their horses to the tournament to shoot a toothpick at a lumberyard. ($1,000 to win $25,000) (added money at least $9,000) Add in casino money, send in EXTRA TALL CUPS of heavy expresso from Starbucks (a potential sponsor) for Jay Helfer as commentator and you have another tournament made for ESPN.
JoeyA
Pay It Forward
I had the opportunity to meet Kevin at the tournament yesterday. Kevin is heading up the new firm that's attempting to make a huge success of the Seminole's Florida Pro Tour. Your concerns about the money might be better addressed to him. He is posting in AZ Billiards "Seminole Florida Pro Tour" section. (yes, they have their own section)
He is also looking into a Senior's tournament.
Perhaps someone should post there or at least put a link to this thread in that section.... imo
Doug
I had the opportunity to meet Kevin at the tournament yesterday. Kevin is heading up the new firm that's attempting to make a huge success of the Seminole's Florida Pro Tour. Your concerns about the money might be better addressed to him. He is posting in AZ Billiards "Seminole Florida Pro Tour" section. (yes, they have their own section)
He is also looking into a Senior's tournament.
Perhaps someone should post there or at least put a link to this thread in that section.... imo
Doug
pineknot said:
It may have officially been considered a sport, but the general public perception of Golf was that it was a game for the rich snobs and in Public High Schools (at least from where I am from) if you were on the Golf team you were lucky if you only got laughed at... By the time I was a SR. walking across campus with a team bag received similar respect as the football team wearing the team jersey on game day.
Greg Norman and John Daly had a lot to due with getting Golf into the non Golfing Public eye....Then when Tiger came along he took it even deeper into the minority Public eye.
Tiger caused people to start Golfing that otherwise may have never even thought about picking up a golf club.
Don't worry...I am fully aware that Arnie had his army and Jack brought the masses as well. But they did not have the same effect to the non Golfing Public as Greg Norman & John Daly.
Chi and Lee had similar effect to a different minority masses.
Pool actually has an advantage over Golf... Not everyone can pick up a Golf club and instantly play a round of golf.
Pretty much anyone can pick up a cue and complete a game of 8-ball.
Getting a base of High School students to join a pool team to compete against other schools would probably not be that difficult. I am sure there would be many that would join.
On the other hand (currently) if you walk across a high school campus and ask every one if they new who Earl Strickland is, there would probably be few that could give you a correct answer.... ask the same students who John Daly is and you will get many that know.
My point is that many students never get introduced to (competitive) pool until at least after high school. Kids want to compete so they will pick a sport that is available and learn about it. And when they get older that sport gets built and carried on.
Pool must start at this level if it is to be successful long term. Other wise the only players they will get are people taking off from their day jobs to go play in an event.
The reason you see more and more top Asian players I would bet is that there is some kind of competitive pool in the high schools there.
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jimmy-leggs said:
Pool players wil never get real jobs. Think about it, people have been saying this FOREVER and the "pros" still show up to play.
So why would any, for profit, tournament pay more when they do not have to. Think of McDonalds. They only pay minimun wage. Why? Because employees will still show up for work. Guaranteed. So why should they pay out more than they need to?
Anyways, the pros will show up no matter what the payout is. They always have and always will /shrug
I'd suggest they ban together and only show up for good payouts or host their own tournaments. They could have the power, quite easily, if they would just get serious and look out for eachother...
Such is the life as a pool addict, I suppose...
Payouts can't be more if the entrance fee is the ultimate payout.UWPoolGod1 said:
uwate said:
You just nailed it. Now take into consideration that in the USA right now, Florida is the pool mecca. If you had an event like that where I live in Texas for example, You would be lucky to have 6 entries.
The IPT advertised gazillions and couldn't fill a $1000 qualifier or a $1500 one.
The primary goal for any promoter is to fill the room for the facilitator of the regional event. If this is not accomplished, why would he want to do this. Rarely is a profit shown at all.
If the entry is too steep, the locals aren't going to enter, thus being embarrased, and not going to show up. There are the usual favorites who will pay and then some like myself dumb enough to support anything. Finally the event is looked at as so so event at best, and next year, the local owner has no energy for it.
Here in Texas, we have liquor laws which prohibit any booze vendor or distributor from adding any money to any event facilitated by anyone with an existing liquor license. The reasoning for this, I haven't a dam clue. I've argued it and tried to get around it now for the past 5 years.
Newspapers and local TV flat out refuse to cover any event at all stating that pool doesn't fit the image of the city. I near gagged on that one. I guess their reporting all the crimes at night fits the city's image more.
There are sponsors wo put on events and sometimes ahamed of the added money. {I have been there many tiems.} If we can't put it on TV, sponsors are not intrested in putting on the party.
Next, the existing events on TV ain't getting the job done, or there would be more sponsors due to larger audiences.
Again, IMO, pool's biggest issue is that there is no plan to make it better and those who have tried are tired of bumping their heads against walls. There is no real governing body and therefore nobody to construct a plan for the game.
Sure we have leagues and the BCA and so forth, but what is their intrest in this game. What goes back into it? Who has even looked into getting it into the schools as soccer did not so many years ago, and look where it is now. It seems to me that pool needs to be built from the ground up. If not, where is the audience going to come from? ESPN ain't going to build it! They have been at it for 30 plus years and we aren't 1 dollar better off.
This plan would not happen overnight either, it would take time. If we take an honest look at it thiugh, what is there to lose? We had better develope the sport by developing the youth.
hippiepool
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look what the v.n.e.a. is doing .....they run a great event , but the money they make versus the payouts is a joke .....
In my opinion, the national leagues make their contributions and provide their national tournaments, which have their purpose, which should be acknowledged for what they do, and not overlooked. OTOH, the payouts for many of their events seem meager in comparison to what could be done.
Just seems that more could be done and that it could be done better...
I don't think it'll occur until people are willing and able to set the box (this is the way it's been done for so long) aside for a moment, and consider what could occur if we give alternatives a chance...
Just seems that more could be done and that it could be done better...
I don't think it'll occur until people are willing and able to set the box (this is the way it's been done for so long) aside for a moment, and consider what could occur if we give alternatives a chance...