This might be an unwritten record 23 in a row

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nfty9er

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It is the honest to God truth. Not 23 in a row in straight pool which I know you knew or in 9 ball but 23 balls in your pocket in one hole. The only time the opponent got up(which was me) was to rack. I let him break an extra time to see what would happen. So how did it happen? I have to tell you people because it is amazing and I cannot say I have ever seen it happen before in my long life.
The first game started with me breaking and lo and behold I made the corner ball on the break, made another, missed and left him a shot.
He ran out 6, end of game. His break
He breaks, makes the corner ball and runs out and then says lets see how many I can get. Now most of the balls are in or near the center of table but one is 9" from my hole on the bottom rail and one is 12" of the top rail on his side of the table against the side rail. Well he proceeds to run out 5 more balls including a clutch 2 bank shots. He then shot the ball by my pocket by banking the cue ball off the side rail spinning the cue ball behind the ball by my pocket and cut it directly into his pocket. The cue ball came off that ball and drifted up behind the ball on his side of the table. It was a difficult shot but it held the rail and went in. He ran 15 and out. Amazing. So that is 21 in a row. I rack for him to see if the streak can continue.
Believe it or not he again makes a ball on the break and has a chance to make some more. He gets one and in his excitement on 3 of us urging him on he overcuts the next shot trying to go into the pile and break out some balls.
So he finsihes at 23 in a row. WOW. It was a great run to watch and he came close to getting more.
The equipment was good, with 3 month old Simonis 860 and a good Gold Crown 2 table. I know it was not a money game but every game this guy practices is like a money game he is so competitive. Thats why he is fun to practice with.
Can anyone match this feat?
Sorry to carry on but just had to pass this accomplishment on.
 
So basically, he ran six, made a ball on the next break and then ran 14, and then 2. Well, the real impressive part, in my mind, is not the 14 ball run but two balls in a row on the break.

The guy that taught me one pocket ran fifteen against me at least four times. For a skilled one pocket/straight pool player, running 14 or 15 into a hole is good, but achieveable. I think it is much harder to consistently make a ball on the break.

My 0.02

kollegedave

nfty9er said:
It is the honest to God truth. Not 23 in a row in straight pool which I know you knew or in 9 ball but 23 balls in your pocket in one hole. The only time the opponent got up(which was me) was to rack. I let him break an extra time to see what would happen. So how did it happen? I have to tell you people because it is amazing and I cannot say I have ever seen it happen before in my long life.
The first game started with me breaking and lo and behold I made the corner ball on the break, made another, missed and left him a shot.
He ran out 6, end of game. His break
He breaks, makes the corner ball and runs out and then says lets see how many I can get. Now most of the balls are in or near the center of table but one is 9" from my hole on the bottom rail and one is 12" of the top rail on his side of the table against the side rail. Well he proceeds to run out 5 more balls including a clutch 2 bank shots. He then shot the ball by my pocket by banking the cue ball off the side rail spinning the cue ball behind the ball by my pocket and cut it directly into his pocket. The cue ball came off that ball and drifted up behind the ball on his side of the table. It was a difficult shot but it held the rail and went in. He ran 15 and out. Amazing. So that is 21 in a row. I rack for him to see if the streak can continue.
Believe it or not he again makes a ball on the break and has a chance to make some more. He gets one and in his excitement on 3 of us urging him on he overcuts the next shot trying to go into the pile and break out some balls.
So he finsihes at 23 in a row. WOW. It was a great run to watch and he came close to getting more.
The equipment was good, with 3 month old Simonis 860 and a good Gold Crown 2 table. I know it was not a money game but every game this guy practices is like a money game he is so competitive. Thats why he is fun to practice with.
Can anyone match this feat?
Sorry to carry on but just had to pass this accomplishment on.
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How hard is this....?

Here's a question...how difficult is it to run out a rack of nine ball into one corner hole, assuming a normal spread of the balls? (I know there will be complications in most racks--the four won't pass the eight, etc., but just assuming an average layout what's the difficulty level?)
 
Regarding making the corner ball....I know a guy who is only a low B level player but he has a technique to make the corner ball about half the time. However, his break usually sells out a shot on his opponents pocket, but like I said, he makes his corner ball quite often.
 
nfty9er said:
It is the honest to God truth. Not 23 in a row in straight pool which I know you knew or in 9 ball but 23 balls in your pocket in one hole. The only time the opponent got up(which was me) was to rack. I let him break an extra time to see what would happen. So how did it happen? I have to tell you people because it is amazing and I cannot say I have ever seen it happen before in my long life.
The first game started with me breaking and lo and behold I made the corner ball on the break, made another, missed and left him a shot.
He ran out 6, end of game. His break
He breaks, makes the corner ball and runs out and then says lets see how many I can get. Now most of the balls are in or near the center of table but one is 9" from my hole on the bottom rail and one is 12" of the top rail on his side of the table against the side rail. Well he proceeds to run out 5 more balls including a clutch 2 bank shots. He then shot the ball by my pocket by banking the cue ball off the side rail spinning the cue ball behind the ball by my pocket and cut it directly into his pocket. The cue ball came off that ball and drifted up behind the ball on his side of the table. It was a difficult shot but it held the rail and went in. He ran 15 and out. Amazing. So that is 21 in a row. I rack for him to see if the streak can continue.
Believe it or not he again makes a ball on the break and has a chance to make some more. He gets one and in his excitement on 3 of us urging him on he overcuts the next shot trying to go into the pile and break out some balls.
So he finsihes at 23 in a row. WOW. It was a great run to watch and he came close to getting more.
The equipment was good, with 3 month old Simonis 860 and a good Gold Crown 2 table. I know it was not a money game but every game this guy practices is like a money game he is so competitive. Thats why he is fun to practice with.
Can anyone match this feat?
Sorry to carry on but just had to pass this accomplishment on.
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I Saw Mike Caralla play a guy in a tournament in Ohio around 1973. It was a race to four. The guy broke and Mike banked a ball and ran out. Mike then made a ball on his own break and ran out. The guy broke and sold out a shot and Mike ran out. Mike again made a ball on his own break and ran out winning the match four games to nothing without the other guy making a ball. There were three other tables that started about the same time and no balls had been made yet. This all took about ten minutes. It must be a record for a race to four one pocket match. I think if I remember right he was playing Freddie the Beard from Chicago.
 
I thought the loser breaks in one pocket to give the other opponent the advantage of the break or am I wrong?
 
Allen Hopkins used to proposition some locals that he could break the rack of 15 balls and shoot all the balls into one pocket. He would get the victim to lay an incredible price on the proposition, and low and behold, he would get the cash every time.

When a friend of mine and I went to ask Jose Garcia(definitely not a 1-pocket player) what he thought about 1-pocket, he walked up to the table, broke 15 balls using the Corey Duel 8-Ball type 1 pocket break and ran them out all in 1 hole. "1 pocket?" he said, "There's nothin' to it."

Not to discount your buddie's 23 ball run, but the true art of 1-pocket is the moves. Any decent 9-ball or straight pool player can run balls in 1 pocket(high B level and up). Watch a guy like Efren put someone into inconceivable traps, or watch a guy like Varner squeeze somebody until their guts are oozing from their extremeties. Now you have seen the true art of 1 pocket.

I played Peter Rabbit in a handicapped 1-hole tournament about 7-8 years ago. Mr. Lindhart was very old at the time, and his eyesight wasn't so hot, and neither was his shotmaking. But I'll be damned if every game, within his first 10 innings at the table, he didn't have 8 balls hanging near his pocket and I was hooked behind a wall of balls near mine. Needless to say that I am not a one pocket player, and he shut me out in that set. However, a year later I played Junior Harris even in a one pocket tournament and ran 2 8-and outs on him to get to the hill. Needless to say that he patiently outmoved me and beat me 3-2. Incidently, I have no business playing that man in any game without him being heavily sedated and me being heavily spotted. But that's my 1 pocket claim to fame, almost beating what many would consider a high level short stop.

Even some of the old time one pocket greats still put together nice runs. Pete Fusco, who really is one of the greatest non brown one pocket players alive often times gives out huge spots and on more than one occasion I have watched him run 13+ and out.
 
I used to practice a "drill" where you play 6-ball, pick a corner pocket, and try to run all the balls in that pocket. Since I wasn't really interested in 2-3 rail banks, I would just soft break, take ball in hand and try to run them all in the same hole in order.
 
XzyluM said:
I thought the loser breaks in one pocket to give the other opponent the advantage of the break or am I wrong?
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If you are referring to my story, they were rotating the break.
 
accdealer said:
Allen Hopkins used to proposition some locals that he could break the rack of 15 balls and shoot all the balls into one pocket. He would get the victim to lay an incredible price on the proposition, and low and behold, he would get the cash every time.

When a friend of mine and I went to ask Jose Garcia(definitely not a 1-pocket player) what he thought about 1-pocket, he walked up to the table, broke 15 balls using the Corey Duel 8-Ball type 1 pocket break and ran them out all in 1 hole. "1 pocket?" he said, "There's nothin' to it."

Not to discount your buddie's 23 ball run, but the true art of 1-pocket is the moves. Any decent 9-ball or straight pool player can run balls in 1 pocket(high B level and up). Watch a guy like Efren put someone into inconceivable traps, or watch a guy like Varner squeeze somebody until their guts are oozing from their extremeties. Now you have seen the true art of 1 pocket.

I played Peter Rabbit in a handicapped 1-hole tournament about 7-8 years ago. Mr. Lindhart was very old at the time, and his eyesight wasn't so hot, and neither was his shotmaking. But I'll be damned if every game, within his first 10 innings at the table, he didn't have 8 balls hanging near his pocket and I was hooked behind a wall of balls near mine. Needless to say that I am not a one pocket player, and he shut me out in that set. However, a year later I played Junior Harris even in a one pocket tournament and ran 2 8-and outs on him to get to the hill. Needless to say that he patiently outmoved me and beat me 3-2. Incidently, I have no business playing that man in any game without him being heavily sedated and me being heavily spotted. But that's my 1 pocket claim to fame, almost beating what many would consider a high level short stop.

Even some of the old time one pocket greats still put together nice runs. Pete Fusco, who really is one of the greatest non brown one pocket players alive often times gives out huge spots and on more than one occasion I have watched him run 13+ and out.
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I have been playing one pocket for 53 years and I must say I really do not believe what you are saying. I have gambled with the best and been all over the country and I have yet to see that done. And if it was done it would not be on a consistent basis and I would bet Allen would lose all his money in the long run.
I understand the moves of the game and if you allowed this to happen then I believe you are not a one pocket player. Remember sometimes sacrificing scratches to get out of traps can work wonders for you game.
 
your right, however

XzyluM said:
I thought the loser breaks in one pocket to give the other opponent the advantage of the break or am I wrong?
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In my story if you read it i let him break to see if he could keep going.
In the other story they did alternate breaks.
And last have you ever heard of spotting a player the break?
 
Someone somewhere has probably made more in a row. It is however pretty fascinating to see. One of my friends, who was just learning one pocket, was practicing with another good player at Shooter's in Olathe, Kansas when he ran 18. His opponent had one ball and left a shot and my friend ran 14 and made a ball on the break and ran three more before getting tied up.

Although the other poster is right about the moves being the real artistry of the game it is STILL a great achievement to run all fiften balls in one hole and even rarer to make a ball on the break and keep going.

Reminds me of a story (what doesn't?) about Buddy Hall and a matchup in Tampa. Buddy was called to the poolroom by his backer for a one pocket match. When Buddy got there he asked what they were doing and his backer told him that he was giving up 15:4. Buddy started to unscrew his cue and said he wasn't going to play with that spot. His backer grabbed the cue and started heading towards the table. Buddy asked him what he was doing and the backer replied that "somebody" had to play because the money was posted. So Buddy played and reportedly ran three fifteen and outs. (so I was told by the guy who related it to me.)

So, a few months later I was playing rack boy for Buddy in Vegas and I asked him if he really ran three fifteen and outs in that match. He smiled and replied, "naw, it didn't happen like that, I ran a 15, a 16 and a 17." And the barbecueing I took in one-hole from Buddy that day convinced me that I couldn't get there against Buddy with 15:4. Although the chicken only gave "me" 10:7. :-)

John
 
nfty9er said:
And last have you ever heard of spotting a player the break?
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There is nothing uncommon about a player asking for and getting the break as part of the spot. I have seen it happen, even in very big action matches.

In the late seventies, there was a guy in Queens, NY, a B-level player in my estimation, who liked to bet bigt. He used to ask for 11 - 5 and the breaks in a race to 3, and Jersey Red happily gave it to him. And, believe me, Jersey Red nearly always got the cash.

Even very capable one-hole players used to ask Jersey Red for 9 - 7 and the breaks, and they rarely got into his wallet. That guy could play a little!
 
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It's been my experience in watching one pocket matchups that if two players are relatively well known to each other, and one is giving a huge spot, that usually the better player robs the spottee.
 
nfty9er said:
I have been playing one pocket for 53 years and I must say I really do not believe what you are saying. I have gambled with the best and been all over the country and I have yet to see that done. And if it was done it would not be on a consistent basis and I would bet Allen would lose all his money in the long run.
I understand the moves of the game and if you allowed this to happen then I believe you are not a one pocket player. Remember sometimes sacrificing scratches to get out of traps can work wonders for you game.
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I most definitely am NOT a one pocket player.

I'd rather eat a pile of shit than take a scratch.

J/K, but seriously, I consider myself able to play one pocket with a decent pool player who DOESNT play one pocket, but in serious trouble with a mediocre pool player who knows a little bit about pocket a piece.

I know some simple shots and simple moves, and even some that aren't so simple. However, I have neither the ability or the patience to execute them properly on a consistent basis.

The Allen Hopkins story is folklure, but it has been reported by more than 1 person who dropped some pocket change to him laying like 30-1.

The Jose Garcia story is true, not that he could/would ever do it again, but it happened.
 
nfty9er said:
I have been playing one pocket for 53 years and I must say I really do not believe what you are saying. I have gambled with the best and been all over the country and I have yet to see that done. And if it was done it would not be on a consistent basis and I would bet Allen would lose all his money in the long run.
I understand the moves of the game and if you allowed this to happen then I believe you are not a one pocket player. Remember sometimes sacrificing scratches to get out of traps can work wonders for you game.
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Don't forget, Nifty, Allen would get odds on the proposition if only one attempt would be permitted.

I've heard many stories about Allen making money on the fifteen and out into one pocket proposition. Way back when Allen was living in Cranford, New Jersey, somebody once told me Allen was willing to bet even money that he'd do it by trhe fifth attempt, and that he was a consistent money winner with that proposition.
 
The Rabbit

Haven't heard of "The Rabbit" in many years...used to play him in Vegas back in the 70's...he was always humming "Wish I were a rich man"....
any updates?
 
accdealer said:
I most definitely am NOT a one pocket player.

I'd rather eat a pile of shit than take a scratch.
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I intentionally scratched on a shot last night. I was down 7-5, and of course, three balls on the table. Two were behind the headstring on the rail, and my opponent barely missed a shot and left it hanging in his hole. Since I didn't have a decent safety shot at all on the table, I did what I thought was right..... I knocked his game winning ball in his hole, followed it in, thus bringing it back on the spot plus mine. It gave him ball in hand in the kitchen with two balls on the spot and two behind the line. Needless to say, I came back to win. :)

Sometimes a purposeful scratch can keep the game going rather than just selling out.
 
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