this not the way it should be

lfigueroa said:
Obviously you don't play 1pocket.

Nothing finer than to absolutely torture a guy by repeatedly putting him in impossible spots. Freddy the Beard used to talk about the pure, unadulterated joy of it.

More to your point, expressions like getting a guy's "nose open" are part of the timeless jargon of the game, only meaning that the guy is on tilt.

Lou Figueroa
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I play one pocket more than any other game. It is the chess of pool and there is nothing more enjoyable than putting your opponent in impossible situations, which is what makes it like chess.

I can't fathom what that has to do with the core premise of this thread, which is to find someone who is weaker at the game than you are so you can beat them repeatedly and take as much of their money as possible. Why? Does it make them feel superior? Do they need the money?

If I have my choice of a game it is one pocket. If I have a choice of opponents I definitely want to play with someone better than me, not weaker than me. I love the challenge of playing someone better than me and figuring out how to beat them.
Plus I learn much more by paying against strong players than playing against weak players. What challenge is there to finding a weak player and repeatedly beating him?

I have zero interest in taking someone else's money. I have plenty of my own. I love the game and play every single day, BECAUSE I love the game.
 
So how is it gambling really if you keep doubling the best until you finaly win and get even. Lol Maybe that’s why I don’t waste my time with this side of the game. Sometimes I think you guys love gambling more then playing pool.
 
I simply couldn't disagree more. You're essentially mad at a guy who is choosing (according to your phrasing it's not a hustle) to win less money and not take a guy off? Seems to me that's something that's none of your business.

But, I'm a guy who should get no action. I will raise the bet if I damn well please. If I want to stay at our agreed upon wager that's perfectly acceptable.
 
trob said:
So how is it gambling really if you keep doubling the best until you finaly win and get even. Lol Maybe that’s why I don’t waste my time with this side of the game. Sometimes I think you guys love gambling more then playing pool.
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I don't know what world you guys live in where you think you will always eventually get even?

If there is a gap in skill level and a decent length race (because once it starts doubling and you are down 4 sets, most aren't playing a race to 5 for $400 or more) then you can expect the lesser player to continue losing. He can try to double it all he wants, he will run out of money.

I like gambling, but for the lesser player, this isn't gambling, this is just losing. If the players are evenly matched, that's different. Even then it comes down to who is in gear, who is having a better day, who is getting the rolls, etc.

In most cases, in the longer set, the better player wins when there is no weight. If you are the better player, and the lesser player wants to double up, you are foolish not to. If this person truly is the lesser player, even if he gets lucky and gets a win to get him back to even, you an play again at the new amount or even the higher amount and chances are you are going to beat him the next set.

It's common sense. The doubling up Martingale Method needs 3 requirements to be met for it to work consistently:

1. A game of complete chance.
2. Unlimited bankroll
3. No limit on the bet.

As much as I hate to use this comparison... you can put it in terms of APA skill levels. Let's say you have 2 players (who are rated 100% accurately, I know it's a stretch). One is a skill level 9. The other is a skill level 6. In a race to 5 playing even, the SL6 can legitimately beat a SL9 on rare occasion. The longer the set goes, the less their chances of winning. In a race to 9, I'd give the set to the SL9 99% of the time. This is not an ideal situation for a Martingale.
 
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jasonlaus said:
Lmao! You have no idea what you are talking about. None, nada, zero, zip.
Jason
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You are arguing against very simple logic. That's the rationalization. Other people are greedy but not me, what I do is somehow justified. If you think the desire to take someone else's money through wagering a bet is not motivated by greed and greed alone you are in denial. It is ok to be greedy, to each his own. Capitalism itself is solely propped up on greed. Some people don't feel the need to gamble and are content with the money that they have in their pockets. Your denial goes so far as to assign some defect to these people, they are suckers or they have no "heart". At least they understand their own nature and don't try to disguise it.
 
jasonlaus said:
There's at least a few players here that wish you were still gambling on pool.

I'd like to see how long before you run out of money when you have to post every set.
Jason
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The other side of the coin is that why should someone who grinded it out for who knows how long to get ahead give someone a chance to get it all back in a few minutes? And this also opens up the one that is down to lose a lot of money quickly. As you pointed out it can get to be a lot in a hurry. That can quickly get into grocery and house payment money. This is one of the reasons I don't feel good about gambling. The loser can lose too much.
 
bioactive said:
I play one pocket more than any other game. It is the chess of pool and there is nothing more enjoyable than putting your opponent in impossible situations, which is what makes it like chess.

I can't fathom what that has to do with the core premise of this thread, which is to find someone who is weaker at the game than you are so you can beat them repeatedly and take as much of their money as possible. Why? Does it make them feel superior? Do they need the money?

If I have my choice of a game it is one pocket. If I have a choice of opponents I definitely want to play with someone better than me, not weaker than me. I love the challenge of playing someone better than me and figuring out how to beat them.
Plus I learn much more by paying against strong players than playing against weak players. What challenge is there to finding a weak player and repeatedly beating him?

I have zero interest in taking someone else's money. I have plenty of my own. I love the game and play every single day, BECAUSE I love the game.
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My comment was based upon your seemingly literal interpretation of some common pool room terms and sentiments that allude to inflicting pain.

As to gambling, what's the point of playing a stronger opponent when there is no real risk to your shot selection and execution? For funnnsies you can shoot the flyers and your usual shots with gay abandon. There's no test of your true capabilities because those are only revealed under pressure. Playing 1pocket for fun is like playing poker for fun -- you can draw to the inside straight or go all in any time.

woo. wee.

Lastly, no one said you have to find weaker players, though a lamb may stumble across your path now and then. Find an opponent of equal skill or play the stronger player with a spot. That's one of the things that make 1pocket an ideal game to wager on -- there are an infinite number of ways to create and adjust a handicap to make it as even a contest as humanly possible.

Lou Figueroa
 
cueman said:
That can quickly get into grocery and house payment money. This is one of the reasons I don't feel good about gambling. The loser can lose too much.
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Did not read the posts here. As for Gambling. Not me but have seen how gambling distracts someones life. Always close to par or broke. Should be at work but somehow end up at the poolroom, casino or track. Bullshit their friends, family, anyone to borrow money. I had a few cheap bad experiences gambling...and I thank the assholes that beat me or did not repay after pleading for a $100 to pay the rent. That rent went to the Daily Double at Liberty Bell Park. Got beat 2x for $20 in the early 60's playing pool. That was a lot of money then. Baby, I'm cured!! Rather spend any excess money on gifts for wife or hobbies.
Yes there are people that gamble/wager with their heads and can stay responsible...and can afford it. We'll call that entertainment.
 
lfigueroa said:
My comment was based upon your seemingly literal interpretation of some common pool room terms and sentiments that allude to inflicting pain.

As to gambling, what's the point of playing a stronger opponent when there is no real risk to your shot selection and execution? For funnnsies you can shoot the flyers and your usual shots with gay abandon. There's no test of your true capabilities because those are only revealed under pressure. Playing 1pocket for fun is like playing poker for fun -- you can draw to the inside straight or go all in any time.

woo. wee.

Lastly, no one said you have to find weaker players, though a lamb may stumble across your path now and then. Find an opponent of equal skill or play the stronger player with a spot. That's one of the things that make 1pocket an ideal game to wager on -- there are an infinite number of ways to create and adjust a handicap to make it as even a contest as humanly possible.

Lou Figueroa
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Good post Lou, I gotta say if I am not playing in a tournament or for money, bragging rights just isn't enough pressure to bring out the "yips"(in others or myself) or really challenge me to win.
 
bioactive said:
I play one pocket more than any other game. It is the chess of pool and there is nothing more enjoyable than putting your opponent in impossible situations, which is what makes it like chess.

I can't fathom what that has to do with the core premise of this thread, which is to find someone who is weaker at the game than you are so you can beat them repeatedly and take as much of their money as possible. Why? Does it make them feel superior? Do they need the money?

If I have my choice of a game it is one pocket. If I have a choice of opponents I definitely want to play with someone better than me, not weaker than me. I love the challenge of playing someone better than me and figuring out how to beat them.
Plus I learn much more by paying against strong players than playing against weak players. What challenge is there to finding a weak player and repeatedly beating him?

I have zero interest in taking someone else's money. I have plenty of my own. I love the game and play every single day, BECAUSE I love the game.
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Tap tap...I'm on the same track. OnePocket is the only game I enjoy. Playing stronger players is a win/win. I'm not suppose to beat an A player. I do not lose. I learn. I love the intensity of the game. I never took anyone's money. Never had to and do not mind working for it. Would play for time(and gladly pay if I won). Would play for coffee or lunch(and gladly pay win or lose). That being the case...I'm calling out Philly. Name the game and it's for 10" Pudges pizza steak.
 
erhino41 said:
You are arguing against very simple logic. That's the rationalization. Other people are greedy but not me, what I do is somehow justified. If you think the desire to take someone else's money through wagering a bet is not motivated by greed and greed alone you are in denial. It is ok to be greedy, to each his own. Capitalism itself is solely propped up on greed. Some people don't feel the need to gamble and are content with the money that they have in their pockets. Your denial goes so far as to assign some defect to these people, they are suckers or they have no "heart". At least they understand their own nature and don't try to disguise it.
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Problem is, you are confusing what the "correct" thing to do in gambling situations with me as a person - the two are not the same, and they dont have to be.
Jason
 
GoldCrown said:
Tap tap...I'm on the same track. OnePocket is the only game I enjoy. Playing stronger players is a win/win. I'm not suppose to beat an A player. I do not lose. I learn. I love the intensity of the game. I never took anyone's money. Never had to and do not mind working for it. Would play for time(and gladly pay if I won). Would play for coffee or lunch(and gladly pay win or lose). That being the case...I'm calling out Philly. Name the game and it's for 10" Pudges pizza steak.
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Philly is good cheap action and fun to play against. Good luck:thumbup:
Jason
 
cows and bulls

jasonlaus said:
You can treat your Bull any way you want, if you want to "milk it" go right ahead.
Jason
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Jason,

I live on a farm and know the difference between cows and bulls. Those like you that don't are pretty sure to get the shaft sooner or later!

The right gambling move is to keep a steady customer. That is how the house and smart gamblers operate. The fact that it didn't work out in one example or didn't seem to in the short term doesn't make the overall play wrong.

Hu
 
mattb said:
No, the point is you need to stay out of their game and ultimately their business.

I never did understand how someone, who has no vested interest in the actual game, can decide what is right or wrong when it comes to someone else’s game.
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Exactly!!!!

I laugh at morons who make comments like the OP. How many opportunities is he supposed to give his opponent to break even or win his money back.

Reminds me of a time I was playing someone I know for $300 a set. I won the first 4 sets & he wanted one more for the whole thing. I said no & he caught an attitude.

Sorry but I am not going to win 4 out of 5 sets & walk home breaking even. Only a complete idiot would do that. Lastly we played 4 sets, how many chances am I supposed to give you to win your money back?
 
ShootingArts said:
Jason,

I live on a farm and know the difference between cows and bulls. Those like you that don't are pretty sure to get the shaft sooner or later!

The right gambling move is to keep a steady customer. That is how the house and smart gamblers operate. The fact that it didn't work out in one example or didn't seem to in the short term doesn't make the overall play wrong.

Hu
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I lived on a farm also and know the difference.

keep milking that Bull - he really appreciates it:thumbup:
You're such a nice guy.
Jason
 
TheLoneSilencer said:
Exactly!!!!

I laugh at morons who make comments like the OP. How many opportunities is he supposed to give his opponent to break even or win his money back.

Reminds me of a time I was playing someone I know for $300 a set. I won the first 4 sets & he wanted one more for the whole thing. I said no & he caught an attitude.

Sorry but I am not going to win 4 out of 5 sets & walk home breaking even. Only a complete idiot would do that. Lastly we played 4 sets, how many chances am I supposed to give you to win your money back?
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Laughing at the guy that is 100% correct and calling him a moron - yeah, sure.
Jason
 
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