This shot comes up so often
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I was thinking the same thing. :thumbup:
OH! :grin-square: I thought we were playing one pocket for some reason.
Chris,
I noticed that you put a little left hand English on this jump shot, at least as far as your diagram is concerned, in addition to the follow and the angle of the cue stick.
Do you find that the additional sidespin helps make the shot or was it just a misplaced red dot on the AI file?
Thanks,
JoeyA
I noticed that you put a little left hand English on this jump shot, at least as far as your diagram is concerned, in addition to the follow and the angle of the cue stick.
Do you find that the additional sidespin helps make the shot or was it just a misplaced red dot on the AI file?
Thanks,
JoeyA
Lol,,,,break window -might be a little higher though.
Hit self in head: 20%
Break window or pool light: 20%
Make OB and come out with shapes: 30%
Make OB and scratch behind it: 30% (seems to happen often when this ball is made)
Low percentage shot, at least for me but I do commend you for your computer art work.
I was shown this shot and have successfully pulled it off a handful of times. The normal missing, jumping off the table, and fouling outcomes have happened, but the strangest thing I've had happen is that I apparently got too much top spin on the cue ball, and after clearing the obstacle beautifully, it hit the table and stuck like an olympic gymnast. The table may as well have had tar on it.
I will also commend the OP on the diagram; very intuitive.
I will also commend the OP on the diagram; very intuitive.
Thanks everyone for the feedback. Joey, I did not intend to use sidespin when I shot the shot originally; however, I did notice that after pocketing the 1, there was some left hand English on the ball, so I diagrammed it as such. It wasn't a lot, but it was enough to get me shape on the 2.
Thanks again guys for the feedback. More shots to come in the future! And I hope to see some diagrammed shots by you, Joey.
I think you guys need to rethink this a bit. Yes, the opportunity to play this shot comes up quite a bit but many of these "opportunities" can be negated by better options. I think it's actually quite rare that this is your only option and if it is your only option, no amount of practice is going to make you feel good about playing it.
Well, when there isn't a lot to lose, you aren't playing in the US Open, and you're out to have fun and try your wits against shots that can only be made and result in good outcome, the shot is useful. I had the opportunity to play this in a tournament final, and I saw no other options. We can argue all day that there were better options, but we will never ever know if they would have resulted in positive outcomes. I had the shot, I took it, landed the cue ball exactly where it needed to be, and got out the rack. And the shot comes up so often that we should at least consider practicing it. I would say that there are about 100 other shots, from kick safeties to jump banks to 2 rail bank combinations that are a zillion times more difficult and more useless, that are tried and perfected. So I must disagree with you, and say that the shot may be farfetched, but not practicing it at all should not be your first conclusion.
the best diagram I've seen.rep to you.:thumbup:
First, I never said you should NEVER practice this shot. Knowing novelty shots is always useful. Hell, I can run off a few dozen I've picked up over the years. It's always fun to know these shots. What I'm questioning is the value of them. Given this exact layout, I wouldn't have played it this way. Of course, there ARE layouts where I would have to try but these particular circumstances are incredibly unbelieveably rare. IMO, the amount of time it takes to read this thread four times is about as much time as you should spend practicing this shot in your entire life. If you're going to quickly aim for the rail and jump the cueball every time you're hooked with a hanger, you're going to find yourself racking more often than not (against me, at least).
I had someone use this against me in a tournament several years ago. After the tournament, I asked him to show me the shot, and I practiced it until I felt quite confident with it. And yes, I have used it in competition.
Shots like this can serve a double purpose. One, it gets you out of a tough situation, and two, it can often serve to demoralize your opponent at the same time.
Steve
Shots like this can serve a double purpose. One, it gets you out of a tough situation, and two, it can often serve to demoralize your opponent at the same time.
Steve
Yeah, and my page up/down and arrow up/down keys work, unlike when I got to a thread page that has a cuetable layout. Is that just me or do others have this problem?
I can't remember where I saw this match, probably youtube, but Mika and Efren were playing and a similar situation arose, after Efren hooked Mika. He studied the shot for awhile and ended up trying a kick/masse and missed it horribly.
Danny Diliberto was commentating and he couldn't believe that Mika did not attempt the OP's shot , as Danny admitted to using it before.
I admit that the vast majority of the time this shot won't arise, but when it does, especially in a crucial situation, it will definitely be a handy shot to have.
Wow!
Cool app! Very nice indeed!
Cool app! Very nice indeed!
Thanks man, I appreciate it. More shots to come in the future.
You're right, I remember the match as well. I think I have it on DVD. If I find it, I'll link the shot here. But yea, Mika tried a ridiculous kick masse, which was not only more difficult than the rail-jump, but would not have pocketed the ball as the rail-jump might have, if he had even considered it. During the shot, it seemed as though Mika either didn't know the shot, or didn't see that it was available.
