Thorsten"s Amazing 174 Run Not Allowed To Continue! Shame On You!!!
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Some of this event's magic came in the form of good sportsmanship. I've always believed that putting on a nice, formal vest helps to bring out the best in some of these players.
Among the most memorable matches of the event was Mika Immonen vs Mike Davis late Saturday night, with a spot in the semifinals at stake. Immonen played brilliantly to build a seemingly insurmountable lead of 105 balls, with the score sitting at 168-63 when Davis stepped to the table. Davis, to the surprise of many, went in to the zone, playing brilliantly and running 107 to take a two ball lead. When the crowd applauded the end of the run, Immonen joined in the applause. He understood how much heart Davis had shown. After running thirty two and out, Mika, once again, took the trouble to applaud Davis' spirited effort. Mika was genuinely impressed, and wasn't too shy to make it clear to all.
The match that had the very best sportsmanship from start to finish was the Friday nailbiter between Zuglan and Hopkins, with the two old friends sharing their joy with the fans, who enjoyed the show very much.
Still, Hohmann's play was the most magical thing about this event. What a player!
Among the most memorable matches of the event was Mika Immonen vs Mike Davis late Saturday night, with a spot in the semifinals at stake. Immonen played brilliantly to build a seemingly insurmountable lead of 105 balls, with the score sitting at 168-63 when Davis stepped to the table. Davis, to the surprise of many, went in to the zone, playing brilliantly and running 107 to take a two ball lead. When the crowd applauded the end of the run, Immonen joined in the applause. He understood how much heart Davis had shown. After running thirty two and out, Mika, once again, took the trouble to applaud Davis' spirited effort. Mika was genuinely impressed, and wasn't too shy to make it clear to all.
The match that had the very best sportsmanship from start to finish was the Friday nailbiter between Zuglan and Hopkins, with the two old friends sharing their joy with the fans, who enjoyed the show very much.
Still, Hohmann's play was the most magical thing about this event. What a player!
If Jay Helfert and Charlie Williams could get together MR's Jewett, Sullivan, Hopkins, Matthews, Goldwater to run the 2nd DCC Straight Pool Challenge I PROMISE TO CLEAN TABLES AND SPEND 2X WHAT I DID LAST YEAR!! ps. Congratulations ona great performance by a world champion of pool Allen Hopkins!!!!!!!
Sorry, Leil. I'm planning a small change in the DCC 14.1 format to limit attempts to no more than 16 innings.Leil gay said:
Thank you for the 1st event I was just trying to say with SOME HELP! your idea and hard work could become something better, especially with some help like Mr. Goldwater and other who love straight pool like we do. THANK YOU I appreciate your understanding let alone creating 4th your one of pools good guys, from my heart i'll remember you!
Geez mate, 9th in the world and next thing you're an expertTheOne said:Hi m8, I can see where youre coming from here but I don't agree with your snooker analogy I'm afraid
The difference here is that in 14.1 the MATCH is over when a player reaches the target number eg 200 in this case. In snooker the MATCH is still alive and in theory the FRAME is still alive until the pink ball is made because no matter how improbable the other player could still win the frame via gaining foul points. I think a fairer anaology would be if a snooker player made a 100 break 4 frames in a row but needed 1 more frame to break the world record for back to back centuries (I forgot what the record is, probably 4 or 5 in tournament play). In this case the players would have to play an extra frame to see if the record could be broken even though the MATCH is over. This of course would never happen for similar reasons why Hohman didn't continue is run.
I agree though Colin that there is a lack of straight pool on DVD, the mosconi video on your tube was the first footage I'd ever seen, oh apart from the Hustler and color of money lol!
I think formats like the DCC is the perfect formula for recording high straight pool runs. Personally given the lack of practice tables in many pro events I would like to see 1 table made available for a seperate hign run comp at next years events and all pro events. This would:
a) Give the players a table to practice on
b) Give the players another opportunity to win some cash
c) Give the fans something else to see.
d) Give the players and the fans the chance to see a record breaking high run.
A webcam could be setup on this table and the high runs could be recorded for sale.
Just a thought
You've got a point though, re: Snooker players continuing racks. My snooker analogy is not perfect but it does provide some argument for trying match extensions for setting record breaks.
btw: In track and field they allow high jumpers and pole vaulters to go up in 1cm steps just so they can achieve records. The more records, the more media.
I don't think there's a right or wrong here, but I reckon a tournament organizer could try it out someday. i.e. Let players continue breaks if they are at a run of over 100 when they finish a set.
If this brings about a record tourney break, or record break under these conditions, it could provide valuable PR and good sales on videos of that break.
Then let demand and supply determine if the experiment is worth continuing.
Colin <~ Just Another One
High run tournament system
There is a tournament system for 14/1 high runs played in Austria called “High Run Cup”.
Every player get’s 3 attempts to make a good run. You break first from the kitchen how like in 8 ball and then get ball in hand. You play like you would play 14/1 until you miss.
50 % of all players, ranked after their high run of current stage, advance to the next round. The rest gets another chance, same procedure as before.
After a certain number of rounds only a few players are left. These players play a final round where they play 3 attempts and add them up.
I don’t like the system very much, but you will get some high runs for sure. This year Albin Ouschan, Jasmins younger brother, made a high run of 182 and droped out in the next round.
There is a tournament system for 14/1 high runs played in Austria called “High Run Cup”.
Every player get’s 3 attempts to make a good run. You break first from the kitchen how like in 8 ball and then get ball in hand. You play like you would play 14/1 until you miss.
50 % of all players, ranked after their high run of current stage, advance to the next round. The rest gets another chance, same procedure as before.
After a certain number of rounds only a few players are left. These players play a final round where they play 3 attempts and add them up.
I don’t like the system very much, but you will get some high runs for sure. This year Albin Ouschan, Jasmins younger brother, made a high run of 182 and droped out in the next round.
TheOne said:Hi m8, I can see where youre coming from here but I don't agree with your snooker analogy I'm afraid
Me neither. It's more analogous to English Billiards. In this game scoring can go on indefinitely too, so the format has to be pre-agreed, either a set points total to reach, or more commonly, the highest score after timed sessions.
Having said that, it's not uncommon to see a big break allowed to continue beyond the finish line for the benefit of the audience.
Boro Nut
NYC cue dude
Banned
"shame on You"??????? Thorsten disagrees!!!!!
I think the initial poster was way out of line in the statement that the people in charge of running the tournament were somehow responsible for not allowing Thorsten to continue his run. Beyond being unreasonbably presumptuous, the inflammatory flavor of his post reeks of maliciousness. Obviously, this poster hasn't been exposed much to straightpool played on an elite level.
Thorsten was scheduled to leave the NYC area on Monday afternoon, flying to Austria for a tourney that begins tommorow. He promised me before the tournament began, that if he won, he would cancel his plans and stay with me for a week in order to celebrate. As soon as his match was over, he shook engerts hand, walked over to me, hugged me and whispered, "party in NY".
Last evening, , Charlie Williams (also my house guest), thorsten, myself and the rest of the dragon promotions staff brought up this post over dinner. We all kinda laughed it off as ignorant, as the intial poster never recognized in his post the tremendous energy used while concentrating on long runs. It is exhausting. Never mind that thorsten had several more matches to play if he wanted to win the tourney, the run was more important???? Are you kidding me? Thorsten viewed this tournament as the most important of his CAREER. Winning this title was his only concern. Thorsten's statement went something like this, What kind of idiot wants me, for his enjoyment, to compromise my chances at winning the event?
Additionally, to put this run of 174 in perspective, I can tell you what happened yesterday afternoon.
At around 1pm, we went to Amsterdam to play some pool. The high runs completed in the room are posted on a board, with Danny Barouty's 250 on top. As we played, Thorsten started running balls, (mind you without his contacts or glasses). He missed on 157, which would be good for 7th on the list. He forbid me to request the acheivement be listed, although many people witnessed it. Thorsten runs well over a 100 balls EVERYDAY he plays straight pool. He made up his mind that this week he would try to break the highwater mark of the room, and only that number should be listed.
Just because shady slim witnessed what he thought was a high run, in perspective, for the player, it was mearly "average".
I guess opinions are like..... everyone has got one. Uninformed ones should remain quiet or exposed for what they are.
RG
I think the initial poster was way out of line in the statement that the people in charge of running the tournament were somehow responsible for not allowing Thorsten to continue his run. Beyond being unreasonbably presumptuous, the inflammatory flavor of his post reeks of maliciousness. Obviously, this poster hasn't been exposed much to straightpool played on an elite level.
Thorsten was scheduled to leave the NYC area on Monday afternoon, flying to Austria for a tourney that begins tommorow. He promised me before the tournament began, that if he won, he would cancel his plans and stay with me for a week in order to celebrate. As soon as his match was over, he shook engerts hand, walked over to me, hugged me and whispered, "party in NY".
Last evening, , Charlie Williams (also my house guest), thorsten, myself and the rest of the dragon promotions staff brought up this post over dinner. We all kinda laughed it off as ignorant, as the intial poster never recognized in his post the tremendous energy used while concentrating on long runs. It is exhausting. Never mind that thorsten had several more matches to play if he wanted to win the tourney, the run was more important???? Are you kidding me? Thorsten viewed this tournament as the most important of his CAREER. Winning this title was his only concern. Thorsten's statement went something like this, What kind of idiot wants me, for his enjoyment, to compromise my chances at winning the event?
Additionally, to put this run of 174 in perspective, I can tell you what happened yesterday afternoon.
At around 1pm, we went to Amsterdam to play some pool. The high runs completed in the room are posted on a board, with Danny Barouty's 250 on top. As we played, Thorsten started running balls, (mind you without his contacts or glasses). He missed on 157, which would be good for 7th on the list. He forbid me to request the acheivement be listed, although many people witnessed it. Thorsten runs well over a 100 balls EVERYDAY he plays straight pool. He made up his mind that this week he would try to break the highwater mark of the room, and only that number should be listed.
Just because shady slim witnessed what he thought was a high run, in perspective, for the player, it was mearly "average".
I guess opinions are like..... everyone has got one. Uninformed ones should remain quiet or exposed for what they are.
RG
Self serving?
Gene
There are many things that can be said about this post, but let me just say, I wish I could see the looks on the faces of Thorsten, Charlie, and the rest of the Dragon Promotions staff when they read this post. Will the look be one of pride or will they be mortified?NYC cue dude said:
Gene
Thorsten might have had a different opinion if there was a 5K or more prize on the highest tourney break.
Just curious: I thought this post gave us an inside honest look why do you think they might be mortified.This event (1st one in 15yrs) and the IPT on OLN ( prime time cable) have something in common, they're both newbies would it hurt to give them a chance to grow!! All children crawl and walk before they run,personally I am feeling more optimistic than ever so many great things are happening for EVERYBODY!!
NYC cue dude said:
Randy,
I was going to post something exactly like this yesterday, about Thorsten not being here purely for our amusement, but couldn't make it sound right. Anyway, I agree entirely - long runs are exhausting and with no real reason to do it and matches still to play, it seemed obvious that Dragon didn't make him stop. HE wanted to stop, lol.
Oh, one correction about that board, though - that is the old Amsterdam East board that's hanging in the private room. I don't know where the west side board went, but the west side board had a slightly higher high run (maybe Mika's 267?). And none of the boards has been updated in three years.
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Good question
I do not know the relationship of NYC cue dude and Thorsten along with Charlie Williams, but it is my belief that players/promoters such as this are hoping the company they keep understand that they need to exercise some discretion. What was said in that home should have stayed there. For example, do you think Thorsten wants it known that he said the following:
NYC cue dude Quote:
"Thorsten's statement went something like this, 'What kind of idiot wants me, for his enjoyment, to compromise my chances at winning the event?' "
NYC cue dude is correct with most of what he said. I just like to feel comfortable that those that are in my social circle understand that there are things that are said that just do not leave the circle. Maybe those guys feel the same.
Gene
I wasn't siting NYC cue dude's seeming disdain for a zealous fan, it was the disregard for the sanctity of Thorten's and everyone else's privacy.Leil gay said:
I do not know the relationship of NYC cue dude and Thorsten along with Charlie Williams, but it is my belief that players/promoters such as this are hoping the company they keep understand that they need to exercise some discretion. What was said in that home should have stayed there. For example, do you think Thorsten wants it known that he said the following:
NYC cue dude Quote:
"Thorsten's statement went something like this, 'What kind of idiot wants me, for his enjoyment, to compromise my chances at winning the event?' "
NYC cue dude is correct with most of what he said. I just like to feel comfortable that those that are in my social circle understand that there are things that are said that just do not leave the circle. Maybe those guys feel the same.
Gene
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Steve Lipsky said:
Right you are, Steve. I was there the night Mika ran his 267 at Amsterdam West. I know of no higher run than that one in the history of the club.
Bobby Hunter's 225, done in the early 1990's, stood for many years at Amsterdam West. It sure was nice to see Bobby Hunter playing such great pool this past weekend.
After reading Mr Lispky
don't worry steve RG HAD THE right words (but) cuedog NEVER EXPLAINED MORTIFIED (but) after 30min. thinking ,studying, is your polnt whats said between you and me, stays there. Did TH tell rg explain it man I FEEL LIKE THIS A SOAPOPERA.read 49# AND 53# THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO THIS THREAD PLEASE.
don't worry steve RG HAD THE right words (but) cuedog NEVER EXPLAINED MORTIFIED (but) after 30min. thinking ,studying, is your polnt whats said between you and me, stays there. Did TH tell rg explain it man I FEEL LIKE THIS A SOAPOPERA.read 49# AND 53# THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO THIS THREAD PLEASE.
thorsten being one of the younger pro players just makes him cool. And choosing the win over the record is reasonable given the situation.
this story makes him easier to relate to. And a motivating factor for myself, in many aspects of "the game"
this story makes him easier to relate to. And a motivating factor for myself, in many aspects of "the game"