Thorsten"s Amazing 174 Run Not Allowed To Continue! Shame On You!!!
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justnum said:
Actually, I really respected what you said in your first quote included here above this comment. It was right on. I thought it was well said and I agree with you entirely.justnum said:
I believe Thorsten was just focusing on the win, not the record. In my book...that's a wise choice and the focus of a champion. He played a masterful tournament and should grace the cover of every billiards related publication out there. This was great for 14.1 and tremendous for pool in general.
Now you have my vote.
Gene
PS I wasn't typing a close to this thread...I was just hoping to move on and see some other opinions here.
Dear NYC Cue Dude,
Maybe you can help me get how these comments are from an ignorant, malicous, shady, idiot:
"First, as a 14.1 lover I want to thank everyone involved and especially those who put money into the 14.1 event at the Hilton in NJ. I mean this sincerely."
"I completely agree that if Thorsten had no interest to keep shooting then its his choice and to be fair he probably didn't want to continue. But only because the run was so high he should have at least been given the chioce."
"Charlie is correct in that Thorsten did not look for a ref after making the last ball to see if he can keep shooting. I'm sure its because he had more important considerations like winning the event. That fact is the big one for me.
I think I was overly passionate about a possible run that would really put 14.1 back to the front of the pool world and maybe even get non pool players talking about it."
"That 174 for me was the old creaky 14.1 door opening to possibly grab the worlds attention. The 174 to Thorsten was probably a good match winning run and nothing else. That speaks volumes."
"I thought this was a tremendous event. For the players the format was by far the best I've ever seen. Yes a few areas need attention for next time but I take my hat off to all the organizers and players for a great show. If this event keeps going and we get a regular 14.1 World Championship every year or more than once a year with this caliber field the idea of high run contest may become a curious possibility.
"I just want to say that if runs like Thomas Engert's 491 and all the other 400 ball runs on record are legit then Mosconi's 526 will for sure be broken."
"I will be the first to admit I may be looking at 14.1 thru rose colored glasses and being somewhat idealistic ".
"Whats disgraceful is that the great efforts of those that put on this wonderful world class event that only had $13,000 first prize and that is including Randy Goldwaters generous support."
"We are all obviously passionate about this and I think its great. Randy Goldwater said he felt 14.1 when played at a very high livel is an art. I think many of us feel that way. Think how difficult it is to be just good at pool. It deserves to be on par with other sport in this country."
I would respectfully suggest that in the future, before indulge in name calling you read what I've writen completely.
My guess is that I was having dinners with world champions, running balls, and going to watch the best pool players before you were born. I say this only to respond to your comments. I am sure there are many at this site that have more stories and more first hand experiences and greater personal history as a fan and player. You are not one of them. The great job you and your partners did gives you the right to brag about it - not to insult. Its interesting that there has been 66 posts to this thread and yours is the first to bring it all down a notch. I don't know you but I have to believe you have more smarts, class and character, especially considering what you just accomplished.
I don't believe Thorsten said what you imply. If so then I extend my most sincere apology to him. I am aware about the kind of energy a long run needs and yes there was a championship to win not just a match. Yes, I was being selfish for myself and for pool by cathing some lightning in a bottle to tell the sports world about.
When I was a teenager I sat with a few friends in the cafe area of a my local pool room watching TV. About ten minutes later Steve Mizerak, Jack Colavita, Ray Martin and Pete Margo sat down at the next table and created the outline for what would become "The Professional Pool Players Association". I tell this only because this was born out of mens professional pool being so stageringly unorganized that they wanted to make a change. As you may or may not know, it was short lived. That has been the ongoing history of pool. I think we might all be seeing the greatest 14.1 players that ever lived. Just think, your two finalists have run just short of 900 balls in two innings. Odds are our small pool world will be the only ones to appreciate it.
After some thought realize I am wrong in my initial opinion. All these posts reminded me of a comment Grady Mathews made after Seigel ran the 150 on Zuglan years ago. He said "how would you like to be Mike's next opponent?" An intimidation factor gets created unfairly.
If you can't or won't get the tone and spirit of my posts I can't do anything about that. On other threads at this site your efforts have been ripped apart compared to what I have talked about.
Having said all this I am a fan of what you have all done. A great bit of 14.1 is better than no 14.1.
Opinions are like..., everyone has one. The uniformed ones should remain quiet or exposed for what they are.
Well said.
Maybe you can help me get how these comments are from an ignorant, malicous, shady, idiot:
"First, as a 14.1 lover I want to thank everyone involved and especially those who put money into the 14.1 event at the Hilton in NJ. I mean this sincerely."
"I completely agree that if Thorsten had no interest to keep shooting then its his choice and to be fair he probably didn't want to continue. But only because the run was so high he should have at least been given the chioce."
"Charlie is correct in that Thorsten did not look for a ref after making the last ball to see if he can keep shooting. I'm sure its because he had more important considerations like winning the event. That fact is the big one for me.
I think I was overly passionate about a possible run that would really put 14.1 back to the front of the pool world and maybe even get non pool players talking about it."
"That 174 for me was the old creaky 14.1 door opening to possibly grab the worlds attention. The 174 to Thorsten was probably a good match winning run and nothing else. That speaks volumes."
"I thought this was a tremendous event. For the players the format was by far the best I've ever seen. Yes a few areas need attention for next time but I take my hat off to all the organizers and players for a great show. If this event keeps going and we get a regular 14.1 World Championship every year or more than once a year with this caliber field the idea of high run contest may become a curious possibility.
"I just want to say that if runs like Thomas Engert's 491 and all the other 400 ball runs on record are legit then Mosconi's 526 will for sure be broken."
"I will be the first to admit I may be looking at 14.1 thru rose colored glasses and being somewhat idealistic ".
"Whats disgraceful is that the great efforts of those that put on this wonderful world class event that only had $13,000 first prize and that is including Randy Goldwaters generous support."
"We are all obviously passionate about this and I think its great. Randy Goldwater said he felt 14.1 when played at a very high livel is an art. I think many of us feel that way. Think how difficult it is to be just good at pool. It deserves to be on par with other sport in this country."
I would respectfully suggest that in the future, before indulge in name calling you read what I've writen completely.
My guess is that I was having dinners with world champions, running balls, and going to watch the best pool players before you were born. I say this only to respond to your comments. I am sure there are many at this site that have more stories and more first hand experiences and greater personal history as a fan and player. You are not one of them. The great job you and your partners did gives you the right to brag about it - not to insult. Its interesting that there has been 66 posts to this thread and yours is the first to bring it all down a notch. I don't know you but I have to believe you have more smarts, class and character, especially considering what you just accomplished.
I don't believe Thorsten said what you imply. If so then I extend my most sincere apology to him. I am aware about the kind of energy a long run needs and yes there was a championship to win not just a match. Yes, I was being selfish for myself and for pool by cathing some lightning in a bottle to tell the sports world about.
When I was a teenager I sat with a few friends in the cafe area of a my local pool room watching TV. About ten minutes later Steve Mizerak, Jack Colavita, Ray Martin and Pete Margo sat down at the next table and created the outline for what would become "The Professional Pool Players Association". I tell this only because this was born out of mens professional pool being so stageringly unorganized that they wanted to make a change. As you may or may not know, it was short lived. That has been the ongoing history of pool. I think we might all be seeing the greatest 14.1 players that ever lived. Just think, your two finalists have run just short of 900 balls in two innings. Odds are our small pool world will be the only ones to appreciate it.
After some thought realize I am wrong in my initial opinion. All these posts reminded me of a comment Grady Mathews made after Seigel ran the 150 on Zuglan years ago. He said "how would you like to be Mike's next opponent?" An intimidation factor gets created unfairly.
If you can't or won't get the tone and spirit of my posts I can't do anything about that. On other threads at this site your efforts have been ripped apart compared to what I have talked about.
Having said all this I am a fan of what you have all done. A great bit of 14.1 is better than no 14.1.
Opinions are like..., everyone has one. The uniformed ones should remain quiet or exposed for what they are.
Well said.
Slim J said:
Narrow J,
Excellent response from someone taking the "high road."
While I am obviously one who believes that exhibition and competition runs should be kept separate, I still like your style. Pool needs more fanatic 14.1 fans like you (and me and RG) and also needs more entrepreneurs to carry on the great work RG has done so far. It seems obvious you two are really not so far apart.
P.S. - I think it was the "Shame On You" part of the thread title which rubbed some the wrong way. Its a little strongly worded.
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Slim J said:
I really feel that the PPPA produced the most enjoyable pool I have ever witnessed as a fan. Like you, I remember its formation, and to be fair, others also deserve menttion as founding fathers of the organization, including Allen Hopkins, Ernie Costa, Charlie Ursitti and others.
I think the 1981 PPPA world open straight pool championship event was the most memorable one for me. Varner dethorned Sigel in a memorable final, but just as noteworthy was how many of the old legends played. Irving Crane, UJ Puckett, Jimmy Moore, Joe Balsis, and Luther Lassiter all graced the event with their presence.
In so many ways, that great PPPA magic was re-created this past weekend in East Brunswick as the young stars of today found themselves in the presence of old legends Allen Hopkins, Nick Varner, Jose Garcia, Mike Zuglan, and many others.
Sounds like you enjoyed it just as much as I did, and that's nice to hear. Hope you caught up with Pete Margo, who was there for most of the day on Friday. I did and, as usual, Pete was cordial and congenial.
sjm said:
SJM,
Well, not counting the New Jersey State Championship, the obvious next big event on the straight pool calendar is the "breakup/Williebetmore Grudge Match - the Thrilla in the Villa" at the 2007 DCC. Only 206 more days of waiting.
I wish we could convince you to come west of the Hudson for the DCC. It could be financially lucrative as well - the Vegas odds against breakup are about 243,000:1. If you could bring a mil to bet, you could win a cool $4; its JUST LIKE STEALING.
A slightly more appealing match may be an Efren Reyes - Corey Deuel rotation match (we are in the process of cajoling them into agreeing to play), sponsored by the AZB/onepocket.orgMembersRoom. Pat Fleming has agreed to videotape it if we can make it happen. It's not 14.1, but could be somewhat entertaining.
breakup said:
b-man,
Not to brag, but that maple idea won't work; too puny. You'll probably need something like that titanium alloy stuff made from recycled Russian nukes (ever since I watched that "Buns of Steel" video, I've been shattering chairs left and right).
P.S. - Your chances of winning this match are about the same as your chances of appearing as Britney's co-star in her next music video.