That is the first complaining I have heard about not being able to record it.
Also, as UrackemIcrackem pointed out. Your logic doesn't make much sense.
BVal
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Thoughts on TAR
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Also, as UrackemIcrackem pointed out. Your logic doesn't make much sense.
BVal
DrOnePocket said:
Exactly how many ppv's do you watch online? If you're comparing TV PPV to online ppv, that is apples to oranges. LMAO, if pool and TAR were popular enough to get TV PPV, do you think they would fool with online PPV?
Please advise, what online ppv's do you watch from all over the world?
DrOnePocket
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Look,
I have no need to steal from them, nor do I have the time to do even if I wanted to. You are just running your mouth about nothing.
I don't care about the DVD's, you don't have to like it or agree with it. Your logic makes no sense at all anyway. Anyone can buy the DVD and sell bootleg copies just like they could the live stream if it was recordable.
The point is that ALL PPV's in the world are recordable except TAR's. Some of us have to work for a living and can't be glued to the computer until 4 am on a Tuesday. I'm sure you can't understand that.
I don't know why I am wasting my time with someone like you
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I am repeating an earlier reply that purchasing the right to watch at your time is a good option. I purchased a couple during DCC and was very pleased with watching from my computer. I could watch it for as much as I wanted for a whole week. That worked for me.
I think it would be a great idea to be able to watch the ppv at the TAR website for a predetermined amount of time (as a previous poster stated, maybe a week) after the set. I go to work at 10 est, so I can only watch an hour and a half of the match. If purchasing the ppv would allow me to watch it the next day on their site, it would make it much more enjoyable.
I buy most of the dvd's when they come out anyway, but I think that could be a positive direction for TAR to go.
-Brandon
I buy most of the dvd's when they come out anyway, but I think that could be a positive direction for TAR to go.
-Brandon
DrOnePocket said:
I didn't call you any names. I simply pointed out that your "logic" makes no sense. Yes, bootlegs can be made. The point I made is that if you record the PPV, you can get the copy out before they can make the DVD, hence underselling them. Was my thought process clearer this time?
"ALL PPV's in the world". I'll ask again, are you comparing an online PPV to a TV PPV? If not, please advise what online PPV's you're watching. I'm curious.
What if you went to bed instead of being "glued to the computer until 4 am" and something went wrong with your computer and it didn't record? Seems to me that a DVD is a safer bet and would be of better quality.
Last, but certainly not least. Could you please explain why you have "no interest in the TAR DVD's" (your words) but yet you sing praises about accu stat DVD's.
Easy there big fella..
Lot of us can not stay up to watch these matches.. That is why a lot of us buy the DVD. I can watch it when ever I want and as much as I want.
That being said, there are a few sites that sell mostly movies.. example www.dvdempire.com that not only sell movies, but you can pay to download the movie to your PC if you dont want to wait for shipping (I guess).
For those of you suggesting the option of being able to watch the ppv on TAR's website, I agree that its a good idea. I've not heard it addressed by TAR but if I had to guess, it might be time constraints?
I have no idea what it would take as far as time & bandwidth (??) to put the ppv's on their website for paying customers. While it would be a nice option, there might be more to it, making it considerably more difficult than we realize.
I have no idea what it would take as far as time & bandwidth (??) to put the ppv's on their website for paying customers. While it would be a nice option, there might be more to it, making it considerably more difficult than we realize.
Let's take it easy before we start screaming about thieves screwing TAR. The means to record the streamed matches exists (try googling "record streaming video" or something similar), but it isn't stealing to record it after you already paid for it. It only starts to be shady if you take that recording and offer it to other people (whether you charge or not).
It is possible and fairly easy to save both a streaming movie and a DVD movie to your computer, at which point you can burn it to DVD or VCD or just transfer it over the internet to someone else's hard drive.
Of the two tasks, copying the DVD is much less hassle. It can practically be done with just the stuff built into windows.
Copying the stream means you must babysit the stream, staying in front of the computer for the entire thing. You must make sure the recording program is catching both audio and video, and then hope the stream doesn't die at some point. If it does, you may have to start up the recording program again and you'd probably want to go through the slow hassle of editing out the dead spots. You may have to occasionally "goose" the recording program anyway. And your video file will be in a format that can't immediately be burned onto a DVD without converting it first.
So to recap:
- "saving" a stream or a DVD to hard drive doesn't make you a thief.
- If you WERE a thief who planned on spreading the video to people, so that they could get it for free... you're not exactly a thief because you paid for it. It'd make more sense to call the other people thieves because they chose to get an illegal download/knockoff instead of paying for the original. I guess you could call the 'sharer' a shady person tho.
- If you ARE shady enough to want to share this video illegally, it is far far easier to do so from the DVD than by recording the stream, and the DVD's quality will be nicer.
It is possible and fairly easy to save both a streaming movie and a DVD movie to your computer, at which point you can burn it to DVD or VCD or just transfer it over the internet to someone else's hard drive.
Of the two tasks, copying the DVD is much less hassle. It can practically be done with just the stuff built into windows.
Copying the stream means you must babysit the stream, staying in front of the computer for the entire thing. You must make sure the recording program is catching both audio and video, and then hope the stream doesn't die at some point. If it does, you may have to start up the recording program again and you'd probably want to go through the slow hassle of editing out the dead spots. You may have to occasionally "goose" the recording program anyway. And your video file will be in a format that can't immediately be burned onto a DVD without converting it first.
So to recap:
- "saving" a stream or a DVD to hard drive doesn't make you a thief.
- If you WERE a thief who planned on spreading the video to people, so that they could get it for free... you're not exactly a thief because you paid for it. It'd make more sense to call the other people thieves because they chose to get an illegal download/knockoff instead of paying for the original. I guess you could call the 'sharer' a shady person tho.
- If you ARE shady enough to want to share this video illegally, it is far far easier to do so from the DVD than by recording the stream, and the DVD's quality will be nicer.
DrOnePocket
Banned
Hey BVAL,
TAR is IMO one of the coolest things ever to happen to pool. I have never been into tournaments, but love the action. If they never make the PPV recordable, that is fine. I wish they would so I could join the fun.
I have 16 successful years in the advertising business and my logic not only makes sense, it makes dollars. Hard for me to see how anyone with average or above intelligence could disagree. Most people aren't thieves and wouldn't bootleg the DVD's or the PPV recording. There are always bad apples and you can't spend your time or money worrying about them. It would be the same thing as being worried about three people all chipping in on the cost of the PPV and watching it together. That stuff happens, nothing you can do about it. If they hired a Pro to consult for them, they would get the same info I am giving you.
i will not be posting anymore in this thread
have a great day!
I know you aren't posting anymore but just in case you read this.
The reason I think it doesn't make sense to record it is because you would have to sit and watch the whole thing anyways (which you said you don't have time to do). With that being said, not being interested in the DVD is the part that really doesn't make any sense to me. That's all. I hope I didn't offend you as that wasn't my intention.
I hope you have a great day as well.
BVal
CreeDo said:
I never got upset or lost my cool. I simply pointed out one of the reasons that TAR might have for not allowing the streams to be recorded. People said they wanted to watch at their leisure & I pointed out that DVD's could be watched at their leisure and somewhere along the way, I became a "moron".
CreeDo said:So to recap:
- "saving" a stream or a DVD to hard drive doesn't make you a thief.
Did no one catch the part where I specifically stated that I was not calling anyone a thief?
- If you WERE a thief who planned on spreading the video to people, so that they could get it for free... you're not exactly a thief because you paid for it. It'd make more sense to call the other people thieves because they chose to get an illegal download/knockoff instead of paying for the original. I guess you could call the 'sharer' a shady person tho.
Shady, yes. Thief, yes. I see your point on the others being thieves (and agree) but remember that the shady person selling the bootlegged DVD is taking money from the pockets of others so it would be stealing, by proxy.
- If you ARE shady enough to want to share this video illegally, it is far far easier to do so from the DVD than by recording the stream, and the DVD's quality will be nicer.
DrOnePocket said:
First I'm a "moron" and now in a backhanded way, I'm of less than average intelligence.
I simply pointed out my thought process and what lead me to that thought process. I asked you to explain your thought process and instead of reciprocating in kind, you went on the defensive. Three people have pointed out why "your logic" didn't make sense to them, and you've yet to explain it to anyone. I guess its easier to call people morons than help educate them, huh?
I'll give you "my logic" on this situation. I don't think you're a thief. I do think your refusal to answer my reasonable questions & your intense defensiveness towards me is very telling of you.
I love the fact that the matches are usually on weekdays, not weekends. I work Sunday-Thursday, and from 3pm-11pm. And, Im able to watch the matches at work. You cant beat getting paid to watch pool.
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So let me fully understand -
First you say you finally had a chance to watch & purchase a TAR event. And this happened during the week. Many TAR PPV events have happened over the weekend but you never had the chance to watch and purchase them.
Then you state:
During the week you love to watch NBA playoffs or MLB.
But on the weekend, you would like to watch TAR.
Are there not NBA playoff or MLB games on the weekend?
Also, you switched over to TAR during commercials? I assume that you were watching the TAR broadcast thru your TV? How about using your laptop and your TV at the same time.
To answer your question - if this is your line of thinking, then yes - you are alone.
I'd like to ask you, if you have any ideas on how to make money on either recording pool matches or PPV? The advertising, in network T.V. pays for the costs of producing the events to be shown live, or recording them. There literally is no money in the pool world to generate advertising dollars to offset the extreme costs of all that is involved in the production and post production required to bring out high-quality DVD's.At this time PPV is not generating the required dollars either. I happen to work for the original pool-production company, and as we speak, there are at least two groups of people trying to find ways to generate capitol to record more pool challenge matches. The TAR people are bringing forth product that, I think, as a sport, we are lucky to even have.
BVal said:
Did you happen to get an answer to your question via PM?
I did and it was a real eye opener. I learned alot. :help:
DrOnePocket said:
LOL, all I did was ask a couple of questions and I'm a moron with less than average intelligence who apparently is going be getting worthless PM's because of it.
I did get an answer via PM and he was very kind and I now understand where he is coming from. I don't come from the same place he does but I am able to see why he feels the way he does and there is nothing wrong with that. Everyone is different.
BVal