Tip Choice-does it matter??? What does Efren use?

masteroshi said:
Ok, what is the best tip to use?Does it matter?
Soft , medium, hard, layered,which is best?
Also, what does someone like Efren Reyes use on his cues?
Everyone chime in who wants to....

Thanks
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This may or may not help, but I'll put it up for a limited engagement:

Article - Fred on Tips

Fred
 

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parvus1202 said:
I don't know what the famous brands are using leathers from, but I like leather made from water bufallos. It doesn't matter what brand name. .
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That's a little vague. Read my article.

Fred
 
Billy_Bob said:
If you are a serious player, the best lesson you can ever get on tips is to get your own tip replacement tools and order an assortment of tips.

Try soft, medium, and hard tips.
Different materials; leather, layered, pig skin, phenolic, etc.
Different brands.
Different tip shapes, nickel, dime, quarter.
Try different shaft sizes at tip 11mm, 12mm, 13mm.

Get an old or cheap cue for testing. You will probably damage the ferrule when replacing the first tips.

Test with follow, draw, english, slow speed and very fast bank shots.

You will be amazed at the difference in the above and after testing, you will understand what is better and why.

For example with a very soft tip you may get excellent draw, however if you shoot a very fast shot, the cue ball will fizzle because the soft tip acts as a shock absorber - can't get any speed. And after time it compresses and changes into a hard tip - does not stay soft.

Or with a phenolic tip, it tends to miscue when hitting the cue ball off center.
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What a fantastic idea never thought of that one. I have used a hard lepro for over 20 years and just a few months ago tried moori medium and wow what a difference.

Will be getting a new table in a few weeks and will try this out. Thanks for the idea.

And to the original poster of the question, I would suggest you try this or go to a trade show\tournament and try different cues with different tips to see which one you like. Not everyone likes the same kind of chocolate...:-}

SR
 
Cornerman said:
That's a little vague. Read my article.

Fred
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Your link freezes my computer. I don't know why you said it's vague. I just said water bufallo. Have you seen one?
 
parvus1202 said:
Your link freezes my computer. I don't know why you said it's vague. I just said water bufallo. Have you seen one?
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If you read my article, you'd see why it's vague. But, if it freezes up you're not going to see it.

FWIW, every Tweeten cue tip is made from Water Bufalo. Every one of them. That includes Elk Masters, LePros, and Triangle. If you're saying you like all three as long as they're pressed siimply because they're Water Buffalo, then you'd be the only one on the planet.

Fred
 
Thanks...

Cornerman said:
If you read my article, you'd see why it's vague. But, if it freezes up you're not going to see it.

Fred
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Thanks for posting the article...it was a very interesting read...
 
Fred Cornerman...
..that's an interesting article -- thank you very much. One of the more surprising parts, I think, is this paragraph:
"The Tweeten Fibre Company out of Chicago, IL, is the largest producer of pool and billiard tips in the world. They are the manufacturer of the famous LeProfessional (LePro) tip, as well as other popular brands like Triangle and Elk Master. In all, they manufacture about ten different brands of single-layer tips. They also privately contract to manufacture tips for several cue makers."

Little did I know.

Neither did I know that the Moori tips were fabricated by Hideo Moori himself out of his home, and that he's so secretive about this that he won't even "allow his wife into his shop."

Yea, the entire article is a good read.

-- peer
 
Cornerman said:
This may or may not help, but I'll put it up for a limited engagement:

Article - Fred on Tips

Fred
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Nice article, Fred!

"The two predominant leather tanning processes for tip hides are chromium tanning and vegetable tanning."

I want to try brain-tanned leather some time.

"The initial movement and deformation of the (laminated) tip caused by repeated blows from a cue ball seem to be isolated on the layer that contacts the cue ball, while the layers farther down are mainly unaffected."

If the top layer is deforming and lower layers are not, then the layers must not be bonded together perfectly. Of course, nothing is perfect, and this is an example of good imperfection. In woodworking, joints are often left unglued so the wood can expand and contract without warping the entire piece.

"When a laminated tip is shaped with a dome, an inspection of the surface shows the various layers as well as the glue lines."

That prompts me to wonder if the surface of a laminated tip acquires a stepped or ridged profile over time. The dome consists of progressively smaller disks of hide and glue stacked atop each other, with the edge of each layer protruding slightly beyond the edge of the next higher layer. Hide and glue would compress to different degrees, possibly creating a tip face consisting of concentric high and low rings. Such a configuration would grip a cue ball better, IMHO.

I swear by Moori MH tips. Once I shape a Moori, I don't have to fool with it again for at least a year - and I play several hours almost every day. The harder a tip is to begin with, the less it's going to change over time. I don't want my tip to change, so I don't like soft tips.
 
Dhakala said:
"The initial movement and deformation of the (laminated) tip caused by repeated blows from a cue ball seem to be isolated on the layer that contacts the cue ball, while the layers farther down are mainly unaffected."

If the top layer is deforming and lower layers are not, then the layers must not be bonded together perfectly.
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I'm not sure why this would be a conclusion. Normally, bonding doesn't mean that the bond joint will have the same properties as the material. Nor does it mean that the final entire product should have the same physical properties as a single piece unit. The glue joint will have it's own flexibility, rigidity, and strength. These may be higher or lower depending on the bonding agent.

One way to look at it is that it's now jointed. What happens at the contact layers do not necessarily translate down as it would if the whole thing was truly one piece.

Fred
 
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sicbinature said:
I have always used Lepros and love them. I buy a box of fifty, go through them all, and get about 15-20 good ones and throw the rest away. Have no idea what tip Efren uses, but would be interested to know.
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How often do you change your tip? and do you do it yourself?

I probably go through 10 tips in 10 to 15 years time.
 
suckershot said:
It seems like Tiger tips are getting more and more popular every day, and with good reason...they're excellent tips. I have not yet had the opportunity to try a Sniper, but I have an Everest, and it's great. I imagine that the Sniper would likewise be a very good tip.

Hey Corey, I've been trumpeting your tips left and right on this board. Can I get a free box? :D :D :D
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if he can get me some too.throw in a shaft and a towel..
 
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