Tip Contact Location Difference between 9-Ball and 14.1

Possibly, if one were to grab from a crowd on the street within a group of neophyte people between ages 23-30, (techies) they would find the, (data) interesting. But to No final result.
There would be a final result if several patterns were shot with various techniques. Thus the comparisons would be a final result...not necessarily favorable but a starting point to improvement.

Cicero said "Man can neither love nor hate what he does not know'.
 
There would be a final result if several patterns were shot with various techniques. Thus the comparisons would be a final result...not necessarily favorable but a starting point to improvement.

Cicero said "Man can neither love nor hate what he does not know'.
There would be a final result if several patterns were shot with various techniques. Thus the comparisons would be a final result...not necessarily favorable but a starting point to improvement.

Cicero said "Man can neither love nor hate what he does not know'.
Was that, Paul Cicero or Cicero Murphy.

"I" know, I just don't need a 'Gizmo' to tell me.
 
Try something else. If you look at the data and turns out you miss 75% of shots that show up as 10 mph or that you are hitting the cueball off center and causing random curve or object ball throw, you can work on those specific things. Without specific data points, you may just know you missed but not know why.
i dont think you need a gadget to tell you what you are doing wrong in most situations
unintentional spin is easy to see on a measles ball
not hitting where you are aiming is also easy to see
jmho
 
i dont think you need a gadget to tell you what you are doing wrong in most situations
unintentional spin is easy to see on a measles ball
not hitting where you are aiming is also easy to see
jmho
its true
you dont need gadets and data analysis to improve
 
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i dont think you need a gadget to tell you what you are doing wrong in most situations
unintentional spin is easy to see on a measles ball
not hitting where you are aiming is also easy to see
jmho
This is only true with straight shots, and only true if you are far from a rail and from the ball. What about intentional spin? Once you have a cut angle, or are close to an object, your eyes don’t have enough time to watch the measle ball. And your eyes should not be following the cue ball anyway.

Plus, small changes in spin shots are not detectable with a measle ball unless you review with slow motion.

“My end position of the cue ball tells me that I hit it correctly.” Are you sure about this?
 
This is only true with straight shots, and only true if you are far from a rail and from the ball. What about intentional spin? Once you have a cut angle, or are close to an object, your eyes don’t have enough time to watch the measle ball. And your eyes should not be following the cue ball anyway.

Plus, small changes in spin shots are not detectable with a measle ball unless you review with slow motion.

“My end position of the cue ball tells me that I hit it correctly.” Are you sure about this?
did I say this?
please provide a link if i did
because i do not completely agree with that
the perfect example is the hit the cue ball up and down the table to return on yout tip
you can put alittle unintentional spin on the cue ball /hit alittle off directly ahead/and the spin brings the cueball back to your tip
but
you would see the spin on the cue ball/you would see you didnt hit the the center of the short rail
and you should be able to se the ball coming back to you at an angle
 
its true
you dont need gadets and data analysis to improve
I have never made the claim that you need this to improve. All of you invented that claim and refuted it yourselves. You realize that, don’t you?

It is a tool that will help you improve faster, but it isn’t needed. You can always hit 1 million balls and spend years chasing your tail until you work things out for yourself.
 
This is only true with straight shots, and only true if you are far from a rail and from the ball. What about intentional spin? Once you have a cut angle, or are close to an object, your eyes don’t have enough time to watch the measle ball. And your eyes should not be following the cue ball anyway.

Plus, small changes in spin shots are not detectable with a measle ball unless you review with slow motion.

“My end position of the cue ball tells me that I hit it correctly.” Are you sure about this?
if you understand where the spin should make the ball go off the rail
you should know if you hit your mark
 
did I say this?
please provide a link if i did
because i do not completely agree with that
the perfect example is the hit the cue ball up and down the table to return on yout tip
you can put alittle unintentional spin on the cue ball /hit alittle off directly ahead/and the spin brings the cueball back to your tip
but
you would see the spin on the cue ball/you would see you didnt hit the the center of the short rail
and you should be able to se the ball coming back to you at an angle
Ah. No you never said this, the quotes were just a general statement. Sorry for the confusion.

Hitting the ball straight up and back to the tip is a simple drill. The DigiBall is meant to play actual games with, not simply to be used for this single shot.
 
if you understand where the spin should make the ball go off the rail
you should know if you hit your mark
Yeah I think I understand you now. If you are ONLY hitting stop shots or up-down test shots, then you can use a measle ball. But that is extremely limited and doesn’t really translate to the rest of the game.

I am talking about the other 99.9% of shots in pool where you can’t really watch the cue ball.
 
I have never made the claim that you need this to improve. All of you invented that claim and refuted it yourselves. You realize that, don’t you?

It is a tool that will help you improve faster, but it isn’t needed. You can always hit 1 million balls and spend years chasing your tail until you work things out for yourself.
you should have stopped after the first sentence
i tried to not go thru this debate publicly thru my PM to you
but like in the godfather ...i keep getting drawn back in ....😂
we agree the information from the gadget
DOES NOT TELL YOU HOW TO FIX IT
we agree based on the bolded part above
the gadget is not necessary for you to improve
your claim it will help you improve faster is purely speculative on your part and your opinion is biased
i have not seen a true comparison study of players using it vs not using it
one last time
i will say this and not waste more time on this
the gadget gives precise info that for some will find cool and helpfull
the same info can be ascertained without it granted to a less precise degree
WHAT TO DO WITH THE INFO is up to you and the gadget will not fix it for you
i respect your knowledge to create the device
have a nice day everyone....
 
Yeah I think I understand you now. If you are ONLY hitting stop shots or up-down test shots, then you can use a measle ball. But that is extremely limited and doesn’t really translate to the rest of the game.

I am talking about the other 99.9% of shots in pool where you can’t really watch the cue ball.
last post for me
most people that use your device are using it to develop a straight and accurate stroke
because if they cant do that then they will be off on the "other 99%" of shots in pool
and again they dont need your gadget to know they "hit it bad"
i am done
thats my opinion and i am sticking to it
you are entitled to yours
i do not care to debate it further
 
How much are you selling this product for?
This is just the type of data beginner players who can't just read ball effects may find useful. Also, if you sticker up a shot 20 times, you can get a neat little readout of your tip placement dispersion like the 610 vs 520 you posted. People could track how their dispersion is tightening as they improve.

As others have mentioned, this won't make you better in terms of telling you how to fix your error, but I agree with you that it can speed improvement up as the first step to improving is learning which areas to address. How? See a guy like me :p
 
Partner up with a University or sport academy. They might be interested in the data?
Not many pool specific studies out there outside of Dr. Dave's poolroom 'lab' atm but even for him I think this is a good tool to have to make data points more trustworthy. Just recently he had an acceleration myths vid where he was tracking tip contact by chalk marks on a Rempe training ball. Precise readouts that this tool can provide should streamline the process and be prefferable over chalk mark readings.

But ye, anyone else doing pool research would def benefit from having something like this.
 
i have not seen a true comparison study of players using it vs not using it
It isn't released yet. "If you build it, they will come."

most people that use your device are using it to develop a straight and accurate stroke
because if they cant do that then they will be off on the "other 99%" of shots in pool
and again they dont need your gadget to know they "hit it bad"
I am sorry but this isn't correct. You can't just master the up-down shot and then apply it to the rest of the game for all spin possibilites. It isn't how learning works. You need to individually practice all types of shots. You don't know for sure if you eiher aimed wrong or were inaccurate with your stroke. That is where the product can help. Training balls have been available for decades and this is just an improved version of it.

DOES NOT TELL YOU HOW TO FIX IT
What do you want it to say? "You have a lot of variation in your tip accuracy, so you need to do more front squats to improve your hip flexors for stability. Also add raw beets and carrots to your smoothies in the morning to boost your immune system and vision clarity."?? Self-learning is self-learning.
 
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