Tip install

I asked Predator just for fun and their answer was

"The tip should be even on the top, straight and flush on all sides, all the way around. You should not be able to "catch" anything with your fingernail."

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True, but an incomplete answer. The application to your situation will have different meanings as time passes.

Tapered:
Now- a tad narrow as it leaves ferrule.
Later- even with ferrule

Not tapered:
Now- even with ferrule
Later- a tad wider than ferrule.

I still like the taper when new. Which do you prefer
 
Oh- do you have a micrometer?

I'd be interested to read how the shape changes over time and if you share here it would be cool.
 
The taper's a feature, not a flaw - I do mine the same way on purpose (helps prevent/slow mushrooming, as others have said).

Edge of the pad slightly wider than the base of the tip? I'd just ignore that (I know, easier said than done) - but I do wonder how your tip guy managed to do that...?

pj
chgo
 
I asked Predator just for fun and their answer was

"The tip should be even on the top, straight and flush on all sides, all the way around. You should not be able to "catch" anything with your fingernail."

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Predator's answer doesn't surprise me in the least, nor does any of their business practices.
They probably wanted you to send it in to them so they could "fix" that awful mess! lol
 
Oh- do you have a micrometer?

I'd be interested to read how the shape changes over time and if you share here it would be cool.
Hey, sure. I measured it after a 4h playing session including breaking, not sure if some déformation took place already. The ferrule measures 12.5mm. The base of the tip is 12.39mm. The top of the tip just under the dome is 12mm.

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The taper's a feature, not a flaw - I do mine the same way on purpose (helps prevent/slow mushrooming, as others have said).

Edge of the pad slightly wider than the base of the tip? I'd just ignore that (I know, easier said than done) - but I do wonder how your tip guy managed to do that...?

pj
chgo
Correct, the people saying that the taper is a good thing are conveniently ignoring the fact that the ferrule was left a little exposed. Not saying it's a big deal but if you catch it on a ball or the rail at just the right angle it might be enough to chip it. Maybe it will dilate some over time, although the Victory M tip looks quite solid.

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What I do know is if you're low on your cue while shooting you might not be able to reference the edge of the tip to the miscue limit of the CB. If you don't care about that, then the taper is non issue

That is true, I liked the yellow edge of the original tip for sighting. With the taper, less or none of it is visible depending on the angle.

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Correct, the people saying that the taper is a good thing are conveniently ignoring the fact that the ferrule was left a little exposed. Not saying it's a big deal but if you catch it on a ball or the rail at just the right angle it might be enough to chip it. Maybe it will dilate some over time, although the Victory M tip looks quite solid.

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But you could also twist your ankle or get into a car accident going to get you mushroom tip trimmed up!

:oops:
 
I specifically asked him to keep the edges straight.
Well, he did something that you specifically asked him not to. I would ask for a do-over.

It doesn't look like he got the pad involved in the taper, just the tip, so it should be reversible.

At that price, he should make it right. I see that you got a Victory medium tip, which is a hefty $25 each in the U.S., so a shame that one would be wasted. (I honestly don't know why folks spend so much on tips, I think it's because it would be impossible for most to do comparisons, they go by reputation or brand-name.)
 
I see that you got a Victory medium tip, which is a hefty $25 each in the U.S., so a shame that one would be wasted. (I honestly don't know why folks spend so much on tips, I think it's because it would be impossible for most to do comparisons, they go by reputation or brand-name.)

I explained that in a previous post. The 2-3 people who install tips in my area also sell them and they pretty much charge a fixed price, regardless of the brand. In the past I got charged 40 with a tip I brought, so it ends up being more expensive.

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I almost hate to respond to this. But, here are the facts.

It's ok to taper the tip in a little bit, because it will flare out a little bit, no problem.

But, it is not ok to taper in any fiber pad, protector, or anything else under the tip, because it will likely not do a little flare and return to straight.

There are so many wrong opinions here, it reminds me these people have never practiced putting on a tip.

You put it on perfectly flush, and trim it when it flares, if you want. If you taper the parts other than the tip, you've not done it right.

All the best,
WW
 
True, but an incomplete answer. The application to your situation will have different meanings as time passes.

Tapered:
Now- a tad narrow as it leaves ferrule.
Later- even with ferrule

Not tapered:
Now- even with ferrule
Later- a tad wider than ferrule.

I still like the taper when new. Which do you prefer
I am probably not as experienced playing pool as you, but I must say that having installed a few tips, a mushroomed, tapered tip is not the equivalent of a new, non-tapered tip. A mushroomed tip doesn't expand evenly along the length of a tip, it - mushrooms!

I have been breaking with my players for a while, until recently: a Schmelke standard tip, which is soft, and a Tiger Everest, which is medium. Both were factory installed and beautifully burnished, and neither have mushroomed, at least not noticeably (I'll carefully measure them later). Same for SIB Pro and Triangle tips I've installed. How can this be? Maybe I'm not hitting as hard as you guys, or maybe it's the careful and thorough burnishing; I use "gum trag" to burnish (Tandy Leather Eco-Flo Gum Tragacanth, from Amazon).
 
I went back and read your first post. Seems like you had an unresolved difference with the installer before you had the work done. I would have been sure I would get a zero taper tip. You say he told you he was going to put "a little bit of taper" on the tip. Without going to my machinist's handbook I suspect there is no definition of "a little bit of taper" so you and the installer weren't on the same page before the install. I suspect he was being very sure he didn't get the slightest mark on that carbon fiber perhaps leading to a tiny taper too.

There are a couple more things to consider. When burnishing a tip the bottom is supported by the ferrule, the top has no support. This can lead to a slight taper. With somebody that is heavy handed it can lead to a noticeable taper.

The final possible issue causing confusion is that we are looking at a macro image of something small. I am looking at an image of the tip three inches or so across. Looking closely, I see the right side of the tip is straighter than the left and the crown of the tip is more gradual on the right than the left. These things and a little background in photography tell me that the camera and tip were not perfectly positioned. A several hundred dollar fixture is sold for those that need things positioned perfectly so this isn't a knock or a claim your image is intentionally misleading, just pointing out that you probably either had the camera slightly tilted, the shaft not in the exact center of the image, or both.

Ultimately, I think you got what you paid for according to your first post, the installer said he was going to put a slight taper on the tip and did. Add a tiny movement burnishing the tip and a bit of camera error and you can easily have what we are looking at.

I think the install is fine and you will be well satisfied playing with the tip. If you aren't, I would use an installer that agrees to a straight tip install next time. I would also specify it be very lightly burnished or not burnished at all. A light burnish is almost purely cosmetic, a heavier burnish helps prevent mushrooming but as mentioned earlier may add some taper to the tip itself.

I don't think you have any recourse with the installer if as the first post indicates, the final word was you would get a little bit of a taper on the tip. However, if you are going to be super anal about the tip, you and the installer both need to be on exactly the same page to begin with. Benchrest gunsmiths live in a world of micro precision seldom encountered. I sent one three barrels to chamber and crown. I told him up front that I wasn't picky, I would settle for perfect. He left some swirl marks in a chamber that took about ten seconds to buff out. I told him I didn't expect to see such work again!

Hu
 
Predator, I had a warped 314 years ago. Contacted Predator and they told me to ship it to them. They shipped it back with a note that it was acceptably warped... LMAO!

No way. What do you play with now?


Jeff Livingston
 
No way. What do you play with now?


Jeff Livingston
Jeff. I went back to maple shafts when I bought my 1st Kikel through Jamie. Since then I had Dave build me a couple more and have played with his maple shafts since. Just for fun I am going to buy a CF shaft to see what all the fuss is about!!
 
Jeff. I went back to maple shafts when I bought my 1st Kikel through Jamie. Since then I had Dave build me a couple more and have played with his maple shafts since. Just for fun I am going to buy a CF shaft to see what all the fuss is about!!

Be careful, you might spend 2 years getting used to one. I did, so not complaining, just saying.


Jeff Livingston
 
I asked Predator just for fun and their answer was

"The tip should be even on the top, straight and flush on all sides, all the way around. You should not be able to "catch" anything with your fingernail."

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Pool is supposed to be fun. Like the way Efren plays. He misses a shot smiles and laughs at himself. Sadly I have seen lots of people unable to have fun playing pool. They get way to serious. Hope you get your tip the way you like it soon!
 
Pool is supposed to be fun. Like the way Efren plays. He misses a shot smiles and laughs at himself. Sadly I have seen lots of people unable to have fun playing pool. They get way to serious. Hope you get your tip the way you like it soon!


Gotta be careful copying Efren! I noticed that he always rubbed the back of his head when he gave that little grin after missing a shot or shape. I tried it and it took a year and a half for the hair to grow back on the back of my head!

Hu
 
Gotta be careful copying Efren! I noticed that he always rubbed the back of his head when he gave that little grin after missing a shot or shape. I tried it and it took a year and a half for the hair to grow back on the back of my head!

Hu
Mine still hasn't grown back.

pj <- giving it fifteen more years, then I'm giving up
chgo
 
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