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I've heard some players have a pad installed between the ferule and tip. I would be interested in the reasoning as well as some of the "hit" differences reported.
 
The pad does indeed produce a differnt 'hit' and based on current hitometer standards which specifically address your concerns, the hit ranges from a variable differential of 7.47855 to a whopping 8.9834. Of course, this does not take into account the amount of force put forth on the specific object but based upon current forceometer examples, current force does equal about 23.7843psi to about 38.784psi. This variable when combined with the hitometer can provide you with an idea of just how different the hit can be when addressing the ball.

Once you have a firm grasp on all that, we then have to take into consideration whether you are wearing a long or short sleeve shirt because a long sleeve shirt will produce more drag on your hit than a short sleeve shirt. We then have to address the shirtometer for more exacting numbers combined with the hitometer and forceometer. I believe trigonometry comes into play at some point but that's where I'm lost and need to confer with those mastering in trigonometers.

I hope this clarifies and answers your question. And yes, it's one of those days!
 
Joe Barringer said:
The pad does indeed produce a differnt 'hit' and based on current hitometer standards which specifically address your concerns, the hit ranges from a variable differential of 7.47855 to a whopping 8.9834. Of course, this does not take into account the amount of force put forth on the specific object but based upon current forceometer examples, current force does equal about 23.7843psi to about 38.784psi. This variable when combined with the hitometer can provide you with an idea of just how different the hit can be when addressing the ball.

Once you have a firm grasp on all that, we then have to take into consideration whether you are wearing a long or short sleeve shirt because a long sleeve shirt will produce more drag on your hit than a short sleeve shirt. We then have to address the shirtometer for more exacting numbers combined with the hitometer and forceometer. I believe trigonometry comes into play at some point but that's where I'm lost and need to confer with those mastering in trigonometers.

I hope this clarifies and answers your question. And yes, it's one of those days!
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LMAO!!!! That is some good stuff Joe.
 
Joe Barringer said:
The pad does indeed produce a differnt 'hit' and based on current hitometer standards which specifically address your concerns, the hit ranges from a variable differential of 7.47855 to a whopping 8.9834. Of course, this does not take into account the amount of force put forth on the specific object but based upon current forceometer examples, current force does equal about 23.7843psi to about 38.784psi. This variable when combined with the hitometer can provide you with an idea of just how different the hit can be when addressing the ball.

Once you have a firm grasp on all that, we then have to take into consideration whether you are wearing a long or short sleeve shirt because a long sleeve shirt will produce more drag on your hit than a short sleeve shirt. We then have to address the shirtometer for more exacting numbers combined with the hitometer and forceometer. I believe trigonometry comes into play at some point but that's where I'm lost and need to confer with those mastering in trigonometers.

I hope this clarifies and answers your question. And yes, it's one of those days!
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Well I see you are at the top of it today:).

I would say that you don´t feel it. Depending on the pad of course:wink:.
We can feel a lot and I think you in one way feel it but yet you don´t - makes sense?!?!? Pad is there to prevent a bad tip, a bad hit etc to damage the ferrule. It´s also there to look nice imo, I kind of like the look of it:smile:.

Search for the Autumn cue by Rick at Esoteric and you will see what I mean by looks:smile:.

Regards

Chrippa
 
DAMN! You're absolutely correct! It goes to show you that I don't know everything. I totally forgot to take into account the lookotometer which performs the most important part of the equation. In the immortal words of Billy Crystal, it's not how you play; it's how you look and you look marvelous!
 
Joe Barringer said:
DAMN! You're absolutely correct! It goes to show you that I don't know everything. I totally forgot to take into account the lookotometer which performs the most important part of the equation. In the immortal words of Billy Crystal, it's not how you play; it's how you look and you look marvelous!
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I bow my head in respect of your great taste in design, thanks Joe:)!
I must say I like "lookometer":).

Do keep eyes on "the autumn cue", it will soon be ready and it has some nice touch of it I think. I will of course be 5 balls better with it due to the lookometer scale of course:).

Joe, please let me know when you get back to making cues. You have a big m...th - but I like it....:wink:

Regards

Chrippa
 
we then have to take into consideration whether you are wearing a long or short sleeve shirt.
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Joe, what are the calculations if you live North of the 49th and you are wearing a toque?

Sometimes its cold in our pool rooms and we have to dress accordingly.

Just kidding, its also one of those days up here too.

Spring and no Spring in sight. Just more snow.

One of these days Ima going to take you up on the offer and work for free as long as I can trailer the Harley down there and pitch a
tent by the shop. Don't have skis for the Soft Tail yet.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
Joe, what are the calculations if you live North of the 49th and you are wearing a toque?

Sometimes its cold in our pool rooms and we have to dress accordingly.

Just kidding, its also one of those days up here too.

Spring and no Spring in sight. Just more snow.

One of these days Ima going to take you up on the offer and work for free as long as I can trailer the Harley down there and pitch a
tent by the shop. Don't have skis for the Soft Tail yet.
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You'll find that playing in Florida is much more conducive to achieving higher performance due to the lack of heavy clothing. It involves the shirtometer thingie to truly understand all of it.

No tent necessary unless of course that's your thing.
 
It is kinda. You guys have snakes in Fla.

Hard to play with down filled mittens on as well. The closed bridge hand doesn't work too good.
 
The only meter I need right now concerns fingers....4 of them, Used to measure the Crown Black going into my glass !!! Along with a good cigar that should keep me in good standing. yes its monday !!!

Ohh and as far as the op's question, yea it softens the hit a little IMO. ther I posted lol.
 
And that's exactly what I'm headed to do. Dinner, followed by a nice drink and a fantastic ISOM cigar! Yeah, more balls than brains but I like living on the edge. :-)

It was a fun day and it ranked high on the funotometer.

Have a great evening everyone!
 
niiiiice :)

to answer to the OP, the pad is to isolate the wood/ferrule as to eliminate risk of cracking them. And no, you won't tell any difference.
 
Vahmurka said:
niiiiice :)

to answer to the OP, the pad is to isolate the wood/ferrule as to eliminate risk of cracking them. And no, you won't tell any difference.
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I guess vulcanized paper under leather can't be felt.
My 2 cents and I hope a criminal doesn't shoot me.
They have their place on capped ivory ferrules and other brittle ferrules .
Most capped ferrules, no. Fiber pads are the solution to a non-existing problems in most cases imho.
See many pros play with fiber pads ?

Btw, there are pads now that are harder than vulcanized paper and leather and are actually ok.
http://www.obcues.com/pages/OB-Shaft-Re%2dTipping-Instructions.html
 
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Vahmurka said:
niiiiice :)

to answer to the OP, the pad is to isolate the wood/ferrule as to eliminate risk of cracking them. And no, you won't tell any difference.
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Basically this is correct. The pads were predominately used on and to protect ivory ferrules. Their use has expanded in recent times by some very well known cue makers who just choose to use them.
 
Lokometer pads

Hi,

To use Joe´s term, what about these cue pads on the lokometer scale:
IMG_5696_zpsad41c688.jpg

This is the complete "enchilada":
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=313936&highlight=autumn

Chrippa
 
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