Tip Questions

RDaniel13 said:
IMO, i think that for the average player, a triangle tip is good enough.
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I think that for the average Pro, a triangle is good enough. I think for a world champion it's also good enough.

My opinion is that if you can't play with a good single layer tip, no $20-$50 tip is going to make you a better player.

It seems that far too many people can't or won't do basic tip maintenance but it's was a great business decision to charge a 40x markup for a layered tip over the cost of a good single layered tip.

It's only money, if it makes you feel better or gives you more confidence buy it.
 
schonshooter said:
WOW I am obviously new here, thanks for all the info! In the end I have been shooting with a Kamui Medium for about the last 4 years, I just want a little more chalk retention to get rid of miscues on extreme draw shots. I don't shoot hard so I think I will go with the Kamui Black Soft and see how that treats me.
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If you're miscueing on long draw shots, frequently, dont you think that the reason for this happening isnt the tip? It could be your Stroke?
 
I've tried quite a few and finally settled down with a Moori soft. I had purchased a used I-3 and sent it to McDermott under warranty. They cleaned the shaft, resealed it and put a new Moori Soft tip on it for free (had to pay $21 for postage and handling). I had been using a Moori medium prior to that which I liked a lot. The Moori Soft really does the job for me. Haven't had any mushrooming (which is a surprise since it's a soft tip), and it really holds the chalk well. I had experienced some miscues with harder tips when shooting the cue ball that was dead on the cushion. But as other have suggested, it's really up to you which tip and hardness you like. It also depends on your shooting style. A shaft and a tip are so subjective. Good luck in your quest, hope you find one you really like.
 
Kamui's website indicates that different "Elasticity" of a tip is as important as the "Softness/Hardness".

Elasticity Definition: "Elasticity is the physical property of a material that returns to its original shape after the stress (e.g. external forces) that made it deform is removed."

I read that to mean that a tip with high Elasticity is a Tip that springs back to shape faster than a cue tip with low Elasticity. Is that right? Or do they have it the other way around? I think Kamui's diagram has it backwards.

How would a High Elasticity tip feel/perform differently than a Low Elasticity tip? The only difference between the Kamui Black and the Kamui brown, is that the Black's have a higher Elasticity. See: http://www.kamuitips.com/
 
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I tried the Tiger tips, onyx, sniper, the Triangle. I'm back to LePro and I've noticed fewer miscues and less maintenance. Guess I got agood one!
 
schonshooter said:
Do you notice that the Kamui SS require alot of upkeep? ie mushrooming etc? I have had the best luck with a Triangle but I understand they are very hard tips.
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Mine are cut down a couple layers and I haven't had any problems. It plays harder when you cut it down.
 
schonshooter said:
. . I don't shoot hard so I think I will go with the Kamui Black Soft and see how that treats me.
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I find it funny you would choose a $40 installed tip over a $11 one when you can't tell the difference.

I personally would try Triumph before buying another fancy tip. I'm changing an Emerald to a Triumph this week. I wish I could tell you why clearly. Basically, it is because deflection and spin are inconsistent with the Emerald. It might be the tip, hit of the cue, my stroke, etc. I don't
I've not had this issue with most cues, so I will try changing the tip.

Once you can feel the subtle tip to tip differences, I think something could be made of the tip choice being key in matching a cues hit to a players stroke, expectations, etc.
 
I think the Triangle tip is as good as anything on the market, solid or layered.

That said, I use a Sniper. Why? Because it is basically maintenence free, yet it performs like a softer tip, so it grabs well with soft spin shots. I need to shape it about every 3 months. With a Triangle, I'd probably touch it up every week or two.

I think the biggest thing with layered tips is the limited maintenence they require, not that the tips offer any performance advantage.
 
I agree for the most part with what people are saying about the triangle tips being good enough for the price. When i did decide to upgrade to a moori (and i say upgrade because i think it was) i noticed i was getting a lot more cue ball action. I could draw further, inside english was taking alot more effect. Took me awhile to get used to it because i was getting so much cb response, more than i was used to. The guy i have do my tips around here only charges $25. That's for the tip and putting it on and cleaning up the shaft and ferrule a little.
 
schonshooter said:
WOW I am obviously new here, thanks for all the info! In the end I have been shooting with a Kamui Medium for about the last 4 years, I just want a little more chalk retention to get rid of miscues on extreme draw shots. I don't shoot hard so I think I will go with the Kamui Black Soft and see how that treats me.
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try a triamph

very good tip.
 
Heres my take on some tips that I have used and continue to use.

1.Morri med. Excellent at first but tends to glaze over after excessive use.

2. Sterling layered tip- hard A great layered tip for a very cheap price, This tip will also glaze after allot of use.

3. Kamui Black layered super soft Dont let the name fool you, its not that soft, I would compare it to a medium of other brands. Holds chalk very well, long life, but tends to leave black streaks after power draw shots when tip is new.

4. Talisman med, soft ,hard All of these have preformed very well for me. I would have to say that the medium is my favorite. Very low maintenance required, lesser price than most layered tips and very long life. No glazing over after well over 100 hours of play and still counting.


All of this means nothing ..... to you! First I think you need to try different ones to find out if you like layered tips or not, then find out what hardness you prefer. Go to the pool hall ask around and try different ones. No one here or anywhere else can tell you whats right for you.
 
Scott Lee said:
schonshooter...Since you "can't tell the difference" why not go with the cheaper tip? Why pay $25 or more if you can't tell a difference? BTW, I also think that almost any tip will suffice for the average player.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Excellent answer.....I have a cue lathe and i've tried most of the popular tips on my cues and a triangle tip sounds like the best bet for you since you say you can't tell the difference. If you should decide to go with a layered tip i'd like to suggest trying a Sniper tip. Of all the layered tips i've used a Sniper tip works best for me and i've tried a lot of them!

James
 
Thanks for all the input. What kind of cue lathe do you have? I am thinking of investing in one to try and put some tips on / clean some shafts for people. Is it hard to learn how to do?
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I tried a Kamui SS. It mushroomed and flattened every couple of games.
It was done in a month. In using it, I didn't notice anything that blew my hair back over any other soft tip. Kamuis are great tips, I just wouldn't use a SS again.
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Hi Blue Hog ridr,
Do you still have this tip? I would like it back for research purposes if possible. I would be happy to trade for a new one.
 
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