Tips for improving spin on Cue Ball

excuse me

This thread is 99% nonsense so far. The only thing you have to do to get maximum spin is have a well chalked tip and hit the cue ball near the miscue limit (about halfway from the center to the edge). All the rest of this is fairy tales (except a few pieces of advice that can help you hit the cue ball accurately, like having a smooth stroke and a good followthrough). Whenever you ask a technical question like this on AzB, you'll get a mountain of trash to sift through for the real info. It's the drawback of an open forum. Sorry, but you'll just have to learn who the knowledgable posters are.

One good rule of thumb is if you can't immediately see why something makes good sense, it probably doesn't. Pool concepts are simple.

And you should definitely listen to Scott Lee. He's one of the few in this thread that really knows what he's talking about.

pj



chgo
well if you listen to scott lee to help your game i would like to play you too .9-ball or 10-ball how far are you from syracuse?
 
well if you listen to scott lee to help your game i would like to play you too .9-ball or 10-ball how far are you from syracuse?

I'll bet you'd like to play lots of people that you never will. Maybe it's your charming way of asking.

pj
chgo
 
??? scott lee and

is there spamming goin on here? i just offered free advice then i was insulted by someone who obviously does not understand me. and too not understand me is ok but the insults i can do without.you did post a link to your products and correct me if i am wrong thats spamming.::confused:
 
Man, you can tell this guy is from New York. You are the epitome of a NY Hustler. Stop barking in this guys thread, noone wants to hear it. Brag if you like. If you think you are world class, how come you don't state your name and try to play world class players. SVB, reyes, hatch, appleton...I'm sure there are plenty of guys that will come up to Syracuse to play you, if the price is right of course. Jesus, some people...

/Rant
 
Some things I figured out somewhere between C-player and B-player:

1. When using running english, don't fall into the trap of always adding topspin to help the ball run. Some situations call for topspin but in a lot of cases hitting with pure sidespin (no top) will actually get better results than adding the top. It's like the help you get from the topspin... doesn't make up for the loss of sidespin you get by 'diluting' your left or right english with a higher tip position.

2. There's a sweet spot for sidespin (like like for draw), it's about halfway between the center and edge of the ball. On a centennial ball, try centering the number on the ball and then trying to make your tip hit the black outline circled around it. That's pretty much your ideal position. You can go a bit further out but it's close to a miscue and overkill.

3. Cheating the pocket (so you can hit the OB a bit fatter or thinner) makes a HUGE difference on many shots. For example, say you have a shot nearly straight into the side, but the wrong angle. You have an angle that will send the CB slightly to the right, but you want to hit high left and make the CB hit the rail next to the pocket and spin as far to the left as possible. The secret here is to cheat the crap out of the shot, hitting the OB as full as you can without missing the shot. Then the CB travels in a straighter path to hit as near the side pocket as possible, and the left will have maximum effect.

The exact same stroke here (with different amounts of pocket cheating) can literally make the difference between sending the CB 4 feet to the left or 1 foot to the right.

4. Softer is better, spin takes better when the ball hits the rail moving slowly. Not always an option but worth remembering. There will be situations where you can trade off better spin effect or longer CB travel. You have to figure out which is more important for getting a nice angle on the next shot. A longer but straighter shot might be easier, therefore it's worth hitting a little soft just to get the spin to take nicely and carry you straighter towards the next shot.

5. When shooting soft, especially when the OB is near the rail, you might find you get better results with low running english than middle or high running english. If you use those other options, the CB slides across the cloth and starts rolling, essentially picking up topspin. By the time it arrives at the object ball, it is a mix of sidespin and topspin. You'll remember from point 1. that this is not always ideal. So what you do is hit a little low with running english. This prevents the ball from picking up that natural roll, and by the time it arrives at the object ball it spins as if you'd just hit with pure middle-left or middle-right.
 
is there spamming goin on here? i just offered free advice then i was insulted by someone who obviously does not understand me. and too not understand me is ok but the insults i can do without.you did post a link to your products and correct me if i am wrong thats spamming.::confused:
Why not us just get back to the topic. Side spin. I came back to this thread to see what I could learn and mostly all I see is barking.

This thread is not about how good you are or how much you like to gamble and who you can beat. Take a pill.

And yes I'm one of the fools that paid the money for Scott Lee lessons. Guess what? He gave me the tools that brought me to the next level I'd been seeking for 5 years prior. WORTH EVERY CENT and EVERY MINUTE!!!!

OK I'm done with my rant. Let's get back to Applying English.
 
hey

Man, you can tell this guy is from New York. You are the epitome of a NY Hustler. Stop barking in this guys thread, noone wants to hear it. Brag if you like. If you think you are world class, how come you don't state your name and try to play world class players. SVB, reyes, hatch, appleton...I'm sure there are plenty of guys that will come up to Syracuse to play you, if the price is right of course. Jesus, some people...

/Rant

i think you missed the part when scott lee said bs at me. i am not a

bs-er and i simply offered to back that up.
 
Thanks

Thanks for all the advice everyone. By the way when I spoke of spin I meant any kind of spin, including draw and follow. Follow doesn't seem to be a problem for me but my draw is just adequate not great! I did the diamond test mentioned earlier in the thread and with side spin I get about 2 and 1/2 diamonds off the rail, so I guess this is pretty normal.

You guys posted a lot about stroke mechanics and I will continue to work on that so thank you!

I have been thinking of getting a LD shaft it's just a lot of money for me right now so I am wondering if it is worth the investment? Will it help with draw or just with deflection? It seems logical to me that if the shaft deflects less upon contact with the cue ball that more of the energy would be transferred to the ball resulting in greater spin. That's just a theory though.
 
next level ?

Why not us just get back to the topic. Side spin. I came back to this thread to see what I could learn and mostly all I see is barking.

This thread is not about how good you are or how much you like to gamble and who you can beat. Take a pill.

And yes I'm one of the fools that paid the money for Scott Lee lessons. Guess what? He gave me the tools that brought me to the next level I'd been seeking for 5 years prior. WORTH EVERY CENT and EVERY MINUTE!!!!

OK I'm done with my rant. Let's get back to Applying English.

so now you are what in the apa = the pyramid tour.
 
CreeDo:
1. When using running english, don't fall into the trap of always adding topspin to help the ball run. Some situations call for topspin but in a lot of cases hitting with pure sidespin (no top) will actually get better results than adding the top. It's like the help you get from the topspin... doesn't make up for the loss of sidespin you get by 'diluting' your left or right english with a higher tip position.

[...]

5. When shooting soft, especially when the OB is near the rail, you might find you get better results with low running english than middle or high running english. If you use those other options, the CB slides across the cloth and starts rolling, essentially picking up topspin. By the time it arrives at the object ball, it is a mix of sidespin and topspin. You'll remember from point 1. that this is not always ideal. So what you do is hit a little low with running english. This prevents the ball from picking up that natural roll, and by the time it arrives at the object ball it spins as if you'd just hit with pure middle-left or middle-right.

You lose some initial sidespin when you add draw (#5 above), just like when you add follow (#1 above). But adding draw does something else: it slows the cue ball down so that the spin-to-speed ratio increases, which makes the spin effect increase. You can actually get a higher spin-to-speed ratio ("more spin") with draw than without it. This won't make the CB go farther (because you slowed it down), but it will make it take a more radical angle off the rail.

For the same reason, the CB doesn't lose sidespin because it picks up follow as it travels. If you hit the CB with maximum sidespin, it will still have maximum sidespin even if it picks up follow along the way (see the part in blue above).

pj
chgo
 
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oldzilla:
i think you missed the part when scott lee said bs at me

Maybe he was rude, but what you said (about pressing down on the stick to increase spin) was bs. Get over it.

pj
chgo
 
Some things I figured out somewhere between C-player and B-player:

1. When using running english, don't fall into the trap of always adding topspin to help the ball run. Some situations call for topspin but in a lot of cases hitting with pure sidespin (no top) will actually get better results than adding the top. It's like the help you get from the topspin... doesn't make up for the loss of sidespin you get by 'diluting' your left or right english with a higher tip position.

2. There's a sweet spot for sidespin (like like for draw), it's about halfway between the center and edge of the ball. On a centennial ball, try centering the number on the ball and then trying to make your tip hit the black outline circled around it. That's pretty much your ideal position. You can go a bit further out but it's close to a miscue and overkill.

3. Cheating the pocket (so you can hit the OB a bit fatter or thinner) makes a HUGE difference on many shots. For example, say you have a shot nearly straight into the side, but the wrong angle. You have an angle that will send the CB slightly to the right, but you want to hit high left and make the CB hit the rail next to the pocket and spin as far to the left as possible. The secret here is to cheat the crap out of the shot, hitting the OB as full as you can without missing the shot. Then the CB travels in a straighter path to hit as near the side pocket as possible, and the left will have maximum effect.

The exact same stroke here (with different amounts of pocket cheating) can literally make the difference between sending the CB 4 feet to the left or 1 foot to the right.

4. Softer is better, spin takes better when the ball hits the rail moving slowly. Not always an option but worth remembering. There will be situations where you can trade off better spin effect or longer CB travel. You have to figure out which is more important for getting a nice angle on the next shot. A longer but straighter shot might be easier, therefore it's worth hitting a little soft just to get the spin to take nicely and carry you straighter towards the next shot.

5. When shooting soft, especially when the OB is near the rail, you might find you get better results with low running english than middle or high running english. If you use those other options, the CB slides across the cloth and starts rolling, essentially picking up topspin. By the time it arrives at the object ball, it is a mix of sidespin and topspin. You'll remember from point 1. that this is not always ideal. So what you do is hit a little low with running english. This prevents the ball from picking up that natural roll, and by the time it arrives at the object ball it spins as if you'd just hit with pure middle-left or middle-right.

Great post, CreeDo. I'll have to try out #1.
 
75 an hour or 500 a day. for a pool lesson. you suck buddy . just like i figured . another vulture tryin to prey on the little people.

don't anybody pay that for this guy . i'll beat him like a rented mule.:grin:


$75/hr is a bargain when he comes to you! I paid for 4 hours!

NEXT!
 
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Maybe he was rude, but what you said (about pressing down on the stick to increase spin) was bs. Get over it.

pj
chgo

yeah i guess you are rite. my kind of info is for the advanced players. the ones who have a stroke to start with.not for u and scott and maybe not forthe OP. but still scott was
tryin to make a sale ! that sucks !
 
Some things I figured out somewhere between C-player and B-player:

1. When using running english, don't fall into the trap of always adding topspin to help the ball run. Some situations call for topspin but in a lot of cases hitting with pure sidespin (no top) will actually get better results than adding the top. It's like the help you get from the topspin... doesn't make up for the loss of sidespin you get by 'diluting' your left or right english with a higher tip position.

2. There's a sweet spot for sidespin (like like for draw), it's about halfway between the center and edge of the ball. On a centennial ball, try centering the number on the ball and then trying to make your tip hit the black outline circled around it. That's pretty much your ideal position. You can go a bit further out but it's close to a miscue and overkill.

3. Cheating the pocket (so you can hit the OB a bit fatter or thinner) makes a HUGE difference on many shots. For example, say you have a shot nearly straight into the side, but the wrong angle. You have an angle that will send the CB slightly to the right, but you want to hit high left and make the CB hit the rail next to the pocket and spin as far to the left as possible. The secret here is to cheat the crap out of the shot, hitting the OB as full as you can without missing the shot. Then the CB travels in a straighter path to hit as near the side pocket as possible, and the left will have maximum effect.

The exact same stroke here (with different amounts of pocket cheating) can literally make the difference between sending the CB 4 feet to the left or 1 foot to the right.

4. Softer is better, spin takes better when the ball hits the rail moving slowly. Not always an option but worth remembering. There will be situations where you can trade off better spin effect or longer CB travel. You have to figure out which is more important for getting a nice angle on the next shot. A longer but straighter shot might be easier, therefore it's worth hitting a little soft just to get the spin to take nicely and carry you straighter towards the next shot.

5. When shooting soft, especially when the OB is near the rail, you might find you get better results with low running english than middle or high running english. If you use those other options, the CB slides across the cloth and starts rolling, essentially picking up topspin. By the time it arrives at the object ball, it is a mix of sidespin and topspin. You'll remember from point 1. that this is not always ideal. So what you do is hit a little low with running english. This prevents the ball from picking up that natural roll, and by the time it arrives at the object ball it spins as if you'd just hit with pure middle-left or middle-right.



What a great post....thanks SPF=randyg
 
Cue

May I ask, what kind of cue do you shoot with? Brand, weight, age, etc. I'm not saying this matters necessarily, but it sometimes can.


Thanks for all the advice everyone. By the way when I spoke of spin I meant any kind of spin, including draw and follow. Follow doesn't seem to be a problem for me but my draw is just adequate not great! I did the diamond test mentioned earlier in the thread and with side spin I get about 2 and 1/2 diamonds off the rail, so I guess this is pretty normal.

You guys posted a lot about stroke mechanics and I will continue to work on that so thank you!

I have been thinking of getting a LD shaft it's just a lot of money for me right now so I am wondering if it is worth the investment? Will it help with draw or just with deflection? It seems logical to me that if the shaft deflects less upon contact with the cue ball that more of the energy would be transferred to the ball resulting in greater spin. That's just a theory though.
 
Hi All,

I am unhappy with the amount of spin I am getting on the cue ball. I have been working on my stroke as I know that is the most important aspect for imparting spin. Does anyone have suggestions for my stroke? I know to follow through and keep my cue level. Also suggestions about shafts and tips? I have been thinking of getting a predator shaft, comments on that?

I get a decent amount of spin now but I play against some guys who can really put juice on the ball and I just can't seem to get there. Shot making is my strong point but cue ball placement especially when I need alot of spin is my weakness. Any help/advice is appreciated!

My $.02 CENT on the Subject.

1. Chalk before EACH Short or Stroke

2. If you Tip Feel Smooths as a New Born Babies BUTT, Scuff it with 220 Grit Sand Paper.

3. Practice Practice Practice hitting EXTREME OUT SIDE Spin, you have to Hit the Out Side like you hit for Super LOW DRAW.
 
Hi All,

I am unhappy with the amount of spin I am getting on the cue ball. I have been working on my stroke as I know that is the most important aspect for imparting spin. Does anyone have suggestions for my stroke? I know to follow through and keep my cue level. Also suggestions about shafts and tips? I have been thinking of getting a predator shaft, comments on that?

I get a decent amount of spin now but I play against some guys who can really put juice on the ball and I just can't seem to get there. Shot making is my strong point but cue ball placement especially when I need alot of spin is my weakness. Any help/advice is appreciated!

I have also been working on this exact situation...Mostly controlled draw shots...
If i want a lot of spin all i do is bend my bridge arm alittle bit more than normal. Which will automatically amplify more follow through...
Try it...i promise it will work
 
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