Tips For This Shot

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ok, lets say your opponent leaves you this spread in a rack of 9-Ball. the shot on the '8' Ball is totally straight in, and you must roll forward at least a foot to have a decent shot on the '9' Ball.

any tips on how to play this shot? in the diagram the cue ball is about an inch off the rail.

DCP

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Me, what would I do?

I would proceed to miss the eight ball in the corner, by more than a diamond, "but" with good position to get onto the nine.

After that, I would come onto the AZ, draw up a diagram, and complain like nobody has ever missed a shot like this, and about what a stiff I am, and how I will never, ever, in a million years, be a good pool player.

But that's just me.
 
this shot is all about a smooth steady stroke and keeping your nerve, you've got to hit it at a slow/medium pace, and hitting it perfect will mean the cue ball heads directly towards the pocket - so obviously u need perfect speed control.

ive actually done this shot well before in eight ball. remember being dead proud of it but was playing with boons and it wasnt appreciated lol.
 
You need a straight stroke and a good eye. Even a pro may miss this shot once or twice out of ten. To check your stroke, put the on the middle of the end rail, shoot it straight to the other end rail and see if you can get it to bounce back right to your tip. If you can't are either not aiming straight or you are putting spin on the cueball unknowingly.
 
worriedbeef said:
this shot is all about a smooth steady stroke and keeping your nerve, you've got to hit it at a slow/medium pace, and hitting it perfect will mean the cue ball heads directly towards the pocket - so obviously u need perfect speed control.

ive actually done this shot well before in eight ball. remember being dead proud of it but was playing with boons and it wasnt appreciated lol.

Aim just a little high above center on the cue ball. Keep your cue as level as you possibly can. Do not jack up. It may throw off your stroke just the littlest bit.

Now all you have to do is make sure that your stroke is straight and smooth. Use a slow to medium speed and, follow through.

Basically, what worriedbeef said.
 
I hate to discourage active participation and the asking of relevant questions, but some of these things are getting so rudimentary that they seem kind of silly.

To be asked this question by a beginner would be appropriate. However, from someone who has been playing for a while and has been discussing multi rail, high spin position and kick shots, it has the appearance to me of just talking to hear oneself talk.
 
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this question was asked because it is a difficult shot. i thought maybe someone might have a tip or two on how to align this shot, how to visualize this shot, how to stroke this shot, etc, etc. thought someone might know a trick or two on this shot that i have never heard of.

sorry i upset so many people with the shots i diagram. i am just trying to learn.

DCP
 
I personally slow roll it and cheat it by cutting the 8 towards the left side of the pocket...even if you hit the rail first, if you have good speed it will go in...depending really on speed of cloth and size of pockets as to how much cheat you can get away with.

Agree with others...slow to medium stroke with level cue, don't get anxious.
 
the only thing i do on a shot like that is i severely cut short my back stroke......i will bring the stick back just a couple of inches and concentrate on delivering a straight stroke, for some reason this really helps me make this shot.
 
Everyone should ask questions if they want to learn, thats how life goes.
Some players prefer some shots other players other shots. Whatever is natural to you and your stroke, and what you prefer. Always play high percentage and stay down, you should find the balls just drop.
 
What about a draw stroke follow? Stroke the cueball just enough for reverse spin and have the backspin die just before contact, so the cueball can roll x-inches (whatever u need it to) forward for the 9? this type of shot eliminates the negatives of slow-rolling the cue ball (on an imperfect table),

the only bad thing about this stroke is that you need to make sure you hit the cueball on the vertical axis or else u'll throw the ball and miss.

too hard? not worth it?
 
Don't persecute ...

him because he wants to learn. This is a hard shot, and takes skill and concentration to finish the out. We have ALL been there on certain difficult shots, so DON'T ridicule someone who is sincerely trying to learn.

On long difficult, almost straight in shots, I focus on my form and stroke mostly. I first check the angle of the shot, and try to use as little of english as I have to on the shot, and if possible just use straight high.
I get down and sim, but when the cue ball is close to the end rail as this
shot is, I have sort of a 'raised' form that gives me more of a view higher,
or above the shot, than through it. THEN, I totally concentrate on my
form and stroke for the shot, making sure my form is good (standing correctly, butt arm is 90 degree arngle below the elbow, and stroke is
straight and true).

I silently repeat to myself a few times during warmup strokes, 'Straight
and Smooth, Striaght and Smooth' before I execute the hit stroke. These
'extra' procedures greatly added to my overall consistency for difficult
long shots.

I would use such procedures for shooting 'your' shot, and probably use
just a little inside english (11: 40 am english) to hold the 8 straighter
to the corner pocket. The tendency would be to throw the 8 out of the pocket to left. The slight inside english would hold it straighter, and even
if you hit the long rail with the 8, the english would help the 8 to 'slide'
in the pocket.

The MAIN thing though is to have a good preshot routine for shooting these particularly 'harder' shots, and sticking to it. Don't rush these shots.

Following 'your' shot will have the cue ball fairly close to the 9, but should
be okay for the other corner.
 
DCP

What I think you need to evaluate is WHY you are missing these shots. There is a big difference between a reason and an excuse for missing shots. When the balls don't drop, you need to find out why. The "why" will usually fall into 3 different categories:

Category 1 - Physical Error

Physical errors are caused by weaknesses and deficiencies with your fundamentals, ie -your stroke, your stance, your sighting, etc. Many beginners don't realize when they are popping up out of their stance or when they are taking their eye off the ball. Usually, minor adjustments and fine tuning with your stance, head alignment, and stroke could alleviate some of those problems. Never forget that the game of pool relies upon perfect application of the basic fundamentals in much the same way a chain depends upon the strength of its links. Weaken one link, and the chain becomes useless.

Category 2 - Mental Error
Mental errors are evident when you are taken completely out of your normal shooting rhythm and either overthink or talk yourself out of certain shots. Their is no quick fix for mental errors. Remember that CONFIDENCE is the prequisite to CONSISTENCY. If you believe that you will make the shot, you have a better chance of having the ball drop in the pocket. If you tell yourself that it won't go, chances are that it won't. This goes back to self talk - that conversation that is going on in your head while you are shooting. If you listen to the negative - your outcome will be all negative. If you decide to listen to that little voice that tells you you can and will make the shot, good things will happen. It is like listening to the radio. It all depends what station you tune into. If you hear that negative stuff creeping in, take the time to start over - walk away from the table - CHANGE THE CHANNEL - and begin your evaluation of the shot, your approach, and your preshot routine all over again.

Category 3 - Tactical Error

Many players get themselves into tough situations because of tactical errors committed earlier in the rack. If you miss position on the 7 ball - you will have to overcompensate to make it - and you may still be out of line on the 8 ball. If you miss the 8 ball, it is a good idea to look back and see how you got in that position in the first place. Reading the rack is just as important as running the rack. Planning then executing. It eliminates that "I don't know where I'm going but I'm getting there fast" brand of 9 ball that you can see every day in the local pool hall.

Unless you figure out which of the 3 categories your misses fall into, you'll always be running east looking for a sunset. Never underestimate the effectiveness of organized, goal oriented practice. Practices should be centered around accomplishing short term goals and turning any weakness into a strength. The more organized your practices are, the more organized you will be when you are in competition. If you simply toss the balls on the table with little or no purpose or goal in my mind, you will not improve very much. However, if you take the time to evaluate these 3 areas of your game on a CONSTANT basis - you will be able to identify and attack the parts of your game that are holding you back by focusing your practices on specific deficiencies instead of merely putting in your time, or merely banging balls around.
 
rogelioii the cue ball is more or less on the baulk cushion so draw would mean jacking up to about 80 degrees lol
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, lets say your opponent leaves you this spread in a rack of 9-Ball. the shot on the '8' Ball is totally straight in, and you must roll forward at least a foot to have a decent shot on the '9' Ball.

any tips on how to play this shot? ...
Sure. Adopt the style of the players who you feel are most likely to make the shot. I think those would be snooker players. Put your chin on the cue stick. You will need to practice this style for it to work for you.
 
worriedbeef said:
rogelioii the cue ball is more or less on the baulk cushion so draw would mean jacking up to about 80 degrees lol

Ha! That's what I get for not looking at the diagram closely.
 
i_maycotte said:
I personally slow roll it and cheat it by cutting the 8 towards the left side of the pocket...even if you hit the rail first, if you have good speed it will go in...depending really on speed of cloth and size of pockets as to how much cheat you can get away with.

Agree with others...slow to medium stroke with level cue, don't get anxious.
I agree. It's a difficult shot for me. But the pocket is pretty big. You can hit a lot of rail and still make the shot. I miss these because of my stroke. I'm just not disciplined enough to do much about it. Although I have worked on it some.
 
Interesting

I was told (on more than one occasion) by very good players....."Players that roll the ball....can't get there" ...

What does that mean...This post is a prime example (in my opinion)...I would rather rely on my stroke than rely on the roll of the table.

This refers back to the other thread regarding the jacked up draw shot.

"The horizontal axis of the CB is equal to the angle of the cue"

You don't need to jack way up on the shot, but a slight elevation and firmly stuck "new center" CB....should do the trick here.....The CB should "release" forward for a good shot on the 9-ball.

(NOTE: I would probably not try to get straight in on this shot....that way if the CB does release forward more than expected you will only be straight in on the 9-ball (not scratch in the corner)
 
I think Blackjack hit the nail on the head...and Jewett's answer isn't bad either. The ONE thing I would strongly recommend in this kind of shot, is NOT lifting the cue off your bridge hand (ala many, many players), during the stroke. The most accurate stroke will happen with a smooth pendulum swing, to a natural finish position.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Two things that will help your make percentage of this shot go way up: 1. focus on keeping your head still. 2. do not let your tip touch the rail when you are bridging off the rail.
 
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