Tips for using inside english?

RichZuHaus

RichZuHaus

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Anyone have any tips for using inside english? I was paging through some of the drills Louie Ulrich posted and it brought this issue to mind. I can sometimes have particular difficulties with shots similar to the one below:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HIeI2IHxW4PHeF3cIeI3cchu4kHeF3kGYy3kGBM3kSji3kbJt1kbmX1kLgN@

I find my trouble isn't position, it is actually making the ball. This is generally true for me for all balls with inside english...it drastically decreases my odds of pocketing the ball. For example, for a given shot I may be about 7/10 with any other english (center, low, outside or any combination of those) but I may be only 4 or 5 in 10 if inside is involved.
 
it's all about squirt, swerve, and throw

RichZuHaus said:
Anyone have any tips for using inside english? I was paging through some of the drills Louie Ulrich posted and it brought this issue to mind. I can sometimes have particular difficulties with shots similar to the one below:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HIeI2IHxW4PHeF3cIeI3cchu4kHeF3kGYy3kGBM3kSji3kbJt1kbmX1kLgN@

I find my trouble isn't position, it is actually making the ball. This is generally true for me for all balls with inside english...it drastically decreases my odds of pocketing the ball. For example, for a given shot I may be about 7/10 with any other english (center, low, outside or any combination of those) but I may be only 4 or 5 in 10 if inside is involved.
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I think it's all about squirt, swerve, and throw. Throw, for example, is very different with outside vs. inside English. Also, some people don't use inside English as much as outside English, so it might be a comfort-level thing. Here are some pertinent topics related to your question:

Happy inside-ing,
Dave
 
RichZuHaus said:
Anyone have any tips for using inside english? I was paging through some of the drills Louie Ulrich posted and it brought this issue to mind. I can sometimes have particular difficulties with shots similar to the one below:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HIeI2IHxW4PHeF3cIeI3cchu4kHeF3kGYy3kGBM3kSji3kbJt1kbmX1kLgN@

I find my trouble isn't position, it is actually making the ball. This is generally true for me for all balls with inside english...it drastically decreases my odds of pocketing the ball. For example, for a given shot I may be about 7/10 with any other english (center, low, outside or any combination of those) but I may be only 4 or 5 in 10 if inside is involved.
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You might try hitting more ball (less cut), I know it seems couter-intuitive since the inside english's throw would dictate less ball, but I find the "squirt" to generally outweigh the swerve and the throw on the firmer shots.

just my $.02, and overpriced at that.

Joe
 
RichZuHaus said:
Anyone have any tips for using inside english? I was paging through some of the drills Louie Ulrich posted and it brought this issue to mind. I can sometimes have particular difficulties with shots similar to the one below:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HIeI2IHxW4PHeF3cIeI3cchu4kHeF3kGYy3kGBM3kSji3kbJt1kbmX1kLgN@

I find my trouble isn't position, it is actually making the ball. This is generally true for me for all balls with inside english...it drastically decreases my odds of pocketing the ball. For example, for a given shot I may be about 7/10 with any other english (center, low, outside or any combination of those) but I may be only 4 or 5 in 10 if inside is involved.
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Louie was at my house the other day showing me and his friend a couple shots,,,,wow. Hor do these guys figure this stuff out???, I have been pracicing what he showed me and its working, when I do it right, but before I had no shot at making the shot, now I kinda do. Thats where getting lessions from a pro helps, the "Dont move your head" while your down on the ball teachers are great, i wish I had onw when I started out, but for advaned stuf, Louie, Tang, Earl, Archer et. are the right guys, as they teach shot makig not fundementals, granted you need both to become a decent player.
 
Practice, practice, practice. Or better yet, try not to get into a situation where natural angles won't play out.
 
When using inside english, try aiming the outside edge of the tip of your cue directly at the spot on the object ball that you would normally aim if you weren't using inside english. Does that make sense?? lol Probably not the best description.. But, this REALLY improved my shot making with inside english.
 
Practice

crawfish said:
Practice, practice, practice. Or better yet, try not to get into a situation where natural angles won't play out.
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Good point. Philosophically, it makes sense to develop good habits that keep you from having to go for the rabbit out of the hat shots.
 
fundamentals

Fatboy said:
Louie was at my house the other day showing me and his friend a couple shots,,,,wow. Hor do these guys figure this stuff out???, I have been pracicing what he showed me and its working, when I do it right, but before I had no shot at making the shot, now I kinda do. Thats where getting lessions from a pro helps, the "Dont move your head" while your down on the ball teachers are great, i wish I had onw when I started out, but for advaned stuf, Louie, Tang, Earl, Archer et. are the right guys, as they teach shot makig not fundementals, granted you need both to become a decent player.
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I guess they figure it out because it is their avocation and vocation....their passion and their profession. You make a real good point about fundamentals...you gotta have a solid foundation before you can start erecting walls, let alone putting fancy stone work on it.

That is sweet that you have access to the masters. I know when I was wrestling, that always made a huge difference for me...to be able to pick the brains of the greats and just generally to be around them had a huge impact.
 
The problem I used to have with inside english shots was the cue ball jumping. A tip by hemicudas helped me a lot. Keep the cue level. Sounds simple but it made a big difference in my game on high inside english shots or any dhot with high english.

I don't even know what hemicudas real name is but thanks buddy if you read this. The bad news is, I'm still just a ballbanger.
 
BHE and FHE

olauzon said:
also check out joe tuckers videos. backhand english is close to a must have shot.

http://www.joetucker.net/
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Colin Colenso also has a good video covering BHE here:

and I have a good article describing and illustrating the BHE and FHE techniques and cue natural pivot length:


I also have a good summary of important considerations related to English aim compensation here:

Regards,
Dave
 
Already some excellent advice and references to articles. Check out all that stuff because it is important to understand the physics of the shot.

But then, the answer is to practice...A LOT...because you have to see how the balls react with YOUR stroke.

If you really want to own inside english I would suggest that you set up fairly easy cut shots broken down into short, medium and long distances.

In each catagory set up cuts to the left and right.

Then in each sub-category, shoot soft, medium and hard and segregate those shots into high, center and low tip contact positions.

That's a lot of categories and a lot of shots but you need to surround ALL the dynamics of using inside.

Question is, how badly do you want to own the shot? If you really want it, there is no substitute for a lot of often boring drudgery.

Regards,
Jim
 
alstl said:
The problem I used to have with inside english shots was the cue ball jumping. A tip by hemicudas helped me a lot. Keep the cue level. Sounds simple but it made a big difference in my game on high inside english shots or any dhot with high english.

I don't even know what hemicudas real name is but thanks buddy if you read this. The bad news is, I'm still just a ballbanger.
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Hemicudas' real name?

It's $ Bill. Or Dollar Bill.

Hope this helps,

Fred
 
backhand english is close to a must have shot.
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Well...

Backhand english is just a way of adjusting your aim for the squirt that happens with any sidespin. It may or may not be the best way to adjust for a particular cue or a particular player.

I think what's a "must have" is an understanding that squirt happens and that you have to adjust your aim for it somehow. One of the ways is BHE.

pj
chgo
 
Shoot tons of shots with inside english and you'll grow to love it. I love inside english. A powerful, powerful tool for your arsenal!
 
Inside

Matt_24 said:
Shoot tons of shots with inside english and you'll grow to love it. I love inside english. A powerful, powerful tool for your arsenal!
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And I recognize that Matt, which is why I want to sharpen up my play on that shot.

Thanks Buddy,

Rich
 
I echo the advice of a few previous posters... learn how to pivot correctly, learn all forms of backhand english. As PJ said, there are many methods - bhe is just one of them.

I prefer pivoting for all inside english shots. I can't say i'm "as-confident" with outside vs. inside, but I feel close.

If you're within a few feet from the OB, Ronnie V's 90 to 90 position without a pivot is very effective as well.
 
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