i have problems with this shot. dunno why, miss the object ball both ways at various times.
anybody have any serious tips on how to draw the object ball back here? and just so everyone knows, i am trying to pocket the 5-Ball and 3-Ball, and draw back for the 6-Ball and 4-Ball. both angles are shown here. the cueball is about an inch off the rail. and, of course, lets assume this is the ONLY shot, the one you HAVE to play.
i have problems with this shot. dunno why, miss the object ball both ways at various times.
anybody have any serious tips on how to draw the object ball back here? and just so everyone knows, i am trying to pocket the 5-Ball and 3-Ball, and draw back for the 6-Ball and 4-Ball. both angles are shown here. the cueball is about an inch off the rail. and, of course, lets assume this is the ONLY shot, the one you HAVE to play.
easy answer is practice it until you can't miss it. Then shoot it another 100 times.
Start out shorter and work your way back until your getting to the rail. I'd guess that your getting some masse on the cueball and throwing it off. Only way to cue that is to practice that shot over and over and over.
Yeah, thats no easy shot. I call this one my spear stroke ... lol. It can be easy or firmer, but for me there is a key to accuracy.
First, concentration on the cue ball. No side spin here, your practice strokes should be only concerned with contacting the cue ball in the center of its vertical equator and low.
After a few practice strokes and you look at the cue tips hitting EXACTLY where you want, you refocus you attention now to the point of contact on the object ball.
Now, its a more back and forth practice stroke carefully watching both the cue ball contact, and the object ball contact.
When you are ready to let the shot go, its (at least for me) loose, finger tips only on the butt of the cue, stroke through and leave the cue tip on the table.
Concentrate, focus, smooth with a light touch and through the cue ball to the table.
best I can describe how I do that shot anyway. I'm relatively comfortable with it.
i have problems with this shot. dunno why, miss the object ball both ways at various times.
anybody have any serious tips on how to draw the object ball back here? and just so everyone knows, i am trying to pocket the 5-Ball and 3-Ball, and draw back for the 6-Ball and 4-Ball. both angles are shown here. the cueball is about an inch off the rail. and, of course, lets assume this is the ONLY shot, the one you HAVE to play.
alright man i learned a trick that makes this shot slightly easier (for me). first level off like with the angle of the cushion like you were going to follow the object ball into the corner pocket. take a couple of practice strokes to make sure you feel cumfortable you could follow the shot. then elivate the but of your cue and focus on a smooth follow through
Guys.. He constantly does this. He asks over and over how to execute shots that come up because of bad position skills.
He is then told in almost every thread after some discussion that he needs to work with an instructor, which, as of about 1200 posts, he has yet to do.
He will ask how to get position in difficult positions, ad then will berate the person who gives him the correct solution, acting like the shot is impossible.
Furthermore, on shots like this, he already KNOWS the solution is to practice it over and over. When people tell him so, he ignores those posts.
Please, don't encourage him. You can tell him whatever you want, he's not going to listen to a word you say... Others will be along shortly to confirm this.
Guys.. He constantly does this. He asks over and over how to execute shots that come up because of bad position skills.
He is then told in almost every thread after some discussion that he needs to work with an instructor, which, as of about 1200 posts, he has yet to do.
He will ask how to get position in difficult positions, ad then will berate the person who gives him the correct solution, acting like the shot is impossible.
Furthermore, on shots like this, he already KNOWS the solution is to practice it over and over. When people tell him so, he ignores those posts.
Please, don't encourage him. You can tell him whatever you want, he's not going to listen to a word you say... Others will be along shortly to confirm this.
Guys.. He constantly does this. He asks over and over how to execute shots that come up because of bad position skills.
He is then told in almost every thread after some discussion that he needs to work with an instructor, which, as of about 1200 posts, he has yet to do.
He will ask how to get position in difficult positions, ad then will berate the person who gives him the correct solution, acting like the shot is impossible.
Furthermore, on shots like this, he already KNOWS the solution is to practice it over and over. When people tell him so, he ignores those posts.
Please, don't encourage him. You can tell him whatever you want, he's not going to listen to a word you say... Others will be along shortly to confirm this.
i have a friend who is a car detailer who says the same things over and over again, its possible to have the excat converstation every day with him for a week word for word, he leaves 5 minute voice mails everytime he calls anyone, i tell him what cars to detail a month before he comes,he lives 250 miles away and he will all me everyday to go over what he is going to do, when you give him directions somewhere 3 miles away it takes 30 minutes, its some sort of disease. He is a famous detailer he is in magazines etc and works on $10,000,000 Ferraris etc. his work is amazing he spent 5 weeks on a car for me once, but man he a handful, there is no doubt its a disease and people like this cant help themselfs, I left him a voice mail once telling him how good he did on a car a year ago he still has it and listens to it daily he told me, they get caught in a loop. i'm not a shrink but its a clear malfunction of their brains.
Most people who have problems drawing the cue ball have some basic problems with their fundamentals, so this is where you start.
First, check your stance, and the manner in which you are holding and gripping the cue stick. When gripping the cue stick it should only be gripped with the thumb and the index finger. At no time should the palm of your hand touch the cue stick, the butt of the cue should rest loosely with no grip on your remaining remaining fingers. When bent of the table in preparation for your stroke, your dominate eye should be over the cue stick. The shoulder of the arm holding the cues butt should be in line with your shot. Always start your stroke with the cue tip close to the cue ball, and bring it back to your fingers. With the cue tip at the cue ball, turn your head without moving body and look at your arm that is gripping the cue stick. Your arm should be straight up and down, at this point if this is not the case correct it before you continue. There should be no tight muscles anywhere in your body, to have a good stroke, you must remain loose, and with time your cue movement should be fast
Check to make sure that your cue is level as possible to the table, if not do the following. The cue is not leveled by raising the butt of the cue. All leveling is done with your bridge hand, your back arm only makes minor adjustments to your bridge hand. If you want to hit the cue ball high raise your bridge, if you want to hit the ball center or low lower your bridge hand. To check how level your cue is, look down at the top of the rail or the surface of the table and level your cue accordingly.
Now begin your stroke, again start with your cue tip close to the object ball. Slowly draw your cue tip back to your bridge hand, some players bring the tip back through their fingers. Then move the tip back to the cue ball, first find the point on the cue ball you want to strike, and take a few warm-up strokes to that point. Then find your contact point on the object ball and begin your warm-up strokes for your shot. During this, process it is OK to allow yourself to glance back at the cue ball to insure solid contact, however, your eyes must firmly be focused on the object ball when contact with the cue ball is made.
To start, place the cue ball and the object ball around one diamonds distance apart, and practice bring your cue ball as far back as possible. Remember, your cue stick must be as level as possible when striking the cue ball for draw shots, and you must follow through on your stroke. Following through and striking the cue ball solid and firm are very important factors in having a good draw shot. In the beginning start by attempting to draw your cue ball straight back, by hitting the cue ball center low. If you do this correctly the cue ball will come straight back. If the cue ball go's right or left after contact, you have not struck it in the center, and you will have to find the balls center before you continue.
Yeah, I know.. But I'd rather help out someone who starts, or posts on, a legitimate thread, rather than encourage DCP to keep asking questions he knows the answers to.
I figure if we just start ignoring him, he'll eventually stop, or go away.
one problem with trying to get draw on a rail shot it that you assume your normal stance and then elevate your cue, what happens is you end up with no room for your stroke to work. Try bending your bridge hand arm some, making you closer to the shot and allowing you to get some snap on the cue
Furthermore, on shots like this, he already KNOWS the solution is to practice it over and over. When people tell him so, he ignores those posts.
Please, don't encourage him. You can tell him whatever you want, he's not going to listen to a word you say... Others will be along shortly to confirm this.
Oh I know that, but its fun to remind him to practice. Just reminds me of someone that wants a shortcut to everything. Will practice breaking and running out, but not the seemingly simple shots. At least that is what I take from his posts.
He's had the same advice, and the same criticism for years now on many of the same shots.
Guys.. He constantly does this. He asks over and over how to execute shots that come up because of bad position skills.
He is then told in almost every thread after some discussion that he needs to work with an instructor, which, as of about 1200 posts, he has yet to do.
He will ask how to get position in difficult positions, ad then will berate the person who gives him the correct solution, acting like the shot is impossible.
Furthermore, on shots like this, he already KNOWS the solution is to practice it over and over. When people tell him so, he ignores those posts.
Please, don't encourage him. You can tell him whatever you want, he's not going to listen to a word you say... Others will be along shortly to confirm this.
1) Bad position skills? Wrong, i ended up with this shot on the 2-Ball to the 3-Ball immediately following the break shot.
2) Not worked with an instructor? Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman is a BCA certified master instructor. Diana Minor was a WPBA touring pro. Mark Wilson is recognized throughout the U.S. as a top notch teacher.
3) Perhaps i stuck my foot in my mouth a time or two, but i did apologize recently when i did it. just dont think i have berated anyone.
4) Practice, is, yes, of course, quite essential. but sometimes one can get a tip or two to make something easier. thats why opinions/ideas are asked for.
5) Please note that many are glad diagrams/shots like this one are posted because it makes for interesting discussion.
finally, perhaps, just perhaps, instead of berating DCP each and every time he posts a shot, one should rather just "stay out" of the thread........
thanks to all who posted serious ideas, they are read, utilized, and appreciated.
i have problems with this shot. dunno why, miss the object ball both ways at various times.
anybody have any serious tips on how to draw the object ball back here? and just so everyone knows, i am trying to pocket the 5-Ball and 3-Ball, and draw back for the 6-Ball and 4-Ball. both angles are shown here. the cueball is about an inch off the rail. and, of course, lets assume this is the ONLY shot, the one you HAVE to play.
If you want to play the ball thats in the same half of the table as your object ball I wouldn't even draw it. I'd try and hit it as center as I could and bank the following ball into the corner. But thats with a little cheat, if its dead on then I'd try and follow it nice and easy and go for the cross side pocket.
Something that should be noted about this shot and all shots of this nature, including jump shots, is that proper alignment and a relaxed stroke are absolutely essential to successful execution. Many players, when forced to shoot jacked up, seem to get their cue up in the air by any means necessary, and fail to pay proper attention to keeping their shoulders, elbows, wrist and grip hand all in the same vertical plane. Attention paid to this fundamental detail will reap huge dividends when confronted with situations like these. In addition, it is vitally important to keep your grip and your stroke relaxed. As much or more so than any other shot in pool, drawing the ball jacked up absolutely demands that you stroke straight through the cue ball on the EXACT vertical center axis. There is no way, IMHO, that most players will do that consistently if there are muscles clenching and tightening up during the stroke.
The following exercise will severely test, but ultimately improve, your ability to deliver the cue straight through the vertical center of the cue ball. Your objective is to make the 9-ball and draw the cueball back into the corner pocket. (Naturally of course, it is assumed, based on your posts of the last week, that you are also devoting daily practice to drawing the cue ball straight back from your regular bridge and stance.)
To give credit where it is due, I believe that this is shot #3 of Bert Kinister's "60-minute Workout for 8-ball and 9-ball". Although there is spirited debate about the quality and content of some of Bert's subsequent videos, this is no question that this tape is of inestimable value. Practice the shots on this tape and it will improve your game--guaranteed!
P.S. (to Bert Kinister)--We'll talk about a commission later!
Yeah, I know.. But I'd rather help out someone who starts, or posts on, a legitimate thread, rather than encourage DCP to keep asking questions he knows the answers to.
I figure if we just start ignoring him, he'll eventually stop, or go away.
It looks like our man in Baghdad, Russ "Short Bus" Chewning , has way too much time on his hands. Rather than focusing his "energies" on fighting the insurgents or whatever it is he's doing out there, he's woofing on DCP.
Something that should be noted about this shot and all shots of this nature, including jump shots, is that proper alignment and a relaxed stroke is absolutely essential to successful execution. Many players, when forced to shoot jacked up, seem to get their cue up in the air by any means necessary, and fail to pay proper attention to keeping their shoulders, elbows, wrist and grip hand all in the same vertical plane. Attention paid to this fundamental detail will reap huge dividends when confronted with situations like these. In addition, it is vitally important to keep your grip and your stroke relaxed. As much or more so than any other shot in pool, drawing the ball jacked up absolutely demands that you stroke straight through the cue ball on the EXACT vertical center axis. There is no way, IMHO, that most players will do that consistently if there are muscles clenching and tightening up during the stroke.
The following exercise will severely test, but ultimately improve, your ability to deliver the cue straight through the vertical center of the cue ball. Your objective is to make the 9-ball and draw the cueball back into the corner pocket. (Naturally of course, it is assumed, based on your posts of the last week, that you are also devoting daily practice to drawing the cue ball straight back from your regular bridge and stance.)
To give credit where it is due, I believe that this is shot #3 of Bert Kinister's "60-minute Workout for 8-ball and 9-ball". Although there is spirited debate about the quality and content of some of Bert's subsequent videos, this is no question that this tape is of inestimable value. Practice the shots on this tape and it will improve your game--guaranteed!
P.S. (to Bert Kinister)--We'll talk about a commission later!
for jacked up over the rail shots try standing a little closer to the table than you normally would if you werent jacked up and make absolutely sure you follow through.
for jacked up over the rail shots try standing a little closer to the table than you normally would if you werent jacked up and make absolutely sure you follow through.
Actually for Jacked up over the rail shots as DCP has pictured the follow through can actually kill the draw...
The thing to remember is this....With a level cue the horizontal center is halfway up the CB....as you jack up the butt end of your cue for jacked up draw shots, the horizontal center is equal to the angle of the cue.........so an exaggerated example would be a masse shot....if your cue is vertical...the new horizontal center is actually the very top of the CB.
Now...the part about the follow through....With a jacked up cue your tip is aiming through the CB into the bed of the table....If you follow through to far, your cue has to change angles to avoid going into the bed of the table....That extra followthrough while changing the angle of the cue robs you of the draw effect you were looking for....
By simply following through shorter (only to the bed of the table) and keeping the cue on the same origonal angle for the entire stroke, you will get a much more effective draw on the CB....(from my experience...and for all I know this may only apply to me)
...In short you do need the "proper" followthrough to execute the jacked up draw...but just saying make sure you follow through may be mis-leading for this particular shot....
