You'll need to obviously hit down on the cue to get draw, shoot as low as you can without a miscue and/or jumping the ball.....second, you gotta hit firm.....try it numerous times.....it can be done, but IMHO it's not a shot you want to play leave on....also, try shooting the same shot with stop or a bit of follow to leave for a bank....depending on your next shot, that might be the right way to go anyway....
Next, STOP leaving yourself that shot.....always work to be at least six inches off the rail....leave yourself some room to operate...
DCP: Everyone, I am REALLY having trouble with this shot... Can anyone offer any tips?
AZer1 (who can run racks): Yeah, that is a tough shot.. Here's how you hit it... And, oh yeah..Yah gotta practice.
AZer2(who can run racks): I agree..
AZer3(who can run racks): I agree...
AZer4(who can run racks): Me too...
AZer5(who can run racks): Yup, AZer1 is right!
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DCP: Nuh uhhhhhhhhhh! That's not what my instructor says!!!!! He says I can do it how ever I darn well want to, even though it's NOT working for me! So there! (Blows a raspberry...) Pfffffttttttttthhhhhhh!
i have problems with this shot. dunno why, miss the object ball both ways at various times.
anybody have any serious tips on how to draw the object ball back here? and just so everyone knows, i am trying to pocket the 5-Ball and 3-Ball, and draw back for the 6-Ball and 4-Ball. both angles are shown here. the cueball is about an inch off the rail. and, of course, lets assume this is the ONLY shot, the one you HAVE to play.
I agree, these shots are very hard to play. If you watch the pros they elevate their cue to about 45 degrees and draw the ball, it almost looks like they are going to jump it or masse. It adds a degree of difficulty to the shot, it is very hard to do. Practice Practice Practice.
With the cue ball that close to the rail you're going to have to elevate your cue and execute a sort of "jump/draw" shot, even though you're not jumping anything. Since you're going to have to draw back quite a little bit with this shot, you'll have to elevate more.
Practice, experience, and feel will help you perfect this shot, because a lot of feel is involved. Accuracy for this shot is harder as well. It is a fun one though.
I was playing last night and had my cue ball in the jaws of the left corner pocket. The 9 ball was about a foot away, frozen on the end rail. The 8 ball was hanging in the right side pocket (in one straight line from the cue ball which is hanging in the corner). I jacked up immensely, shot it with sort of a punch/jump/draw stroke (best way I can describe it), and drew back right to the rail. My friend Az'er VARick saw it and complimented the shot. I said that since we're practicing I wanted to try it, and it worked. It truly is low percentage and almost trick-shottish. I started practicing these types of shots for fun, and after seeing Corey Deuel do some amazing stuff like that in SERIOUS competition.
Also remember, if you have slow/dirty/old cloth the backspin won't take as easily/effectively. Now, had I been in serious competition I wouldn't have taken that shot. I would have played it three/four rail position to get on the 9. A much higher/easier percentage shot.
If you had this situation come up in a REAL game (money/tournament) you'd be better off pocketing the object ball at pocket speed and playing a safe off of the next ball. Trying for the runout isn't always the best shot selection.
Russ, you need to practice either keeping quite or contributing. These threads that DCP has started are some of the few threads that discuss pool, and you seem content to come in and try to convince people they should not reply. There have been several excellent points about position play and technique as a result of DCPs threads, and none of them were posted by you !
Russ, you need to practice either keeping quite or contributing. These threads that DCP has started are some of the few threads that discuss pool, and you seem content to come in and try to convince people they should not reply. There have been several excellent points about position play and technique as a result of DCPs threads, and none of them were posted by you !
Russ, you need to practice either keeping quite or contributing. These threads that DCP has started are some of the few threads that discuss pool, and you seem content to come in and try to convince people they should not reply. There have been several excellent points about position play and technique as a result of DCPs threads, and none of them were posted by you !
Actually, you need to go back and read again. I did get suckered in by the first couple of recent threads he started. And I DID contribute. And many of the other strong players liked my thoughts.
I was contacted by PM by someone thanking me for a follow/carom method for playing safeties and other type shots.
Pardon me if I like to make fun of a guy that refuses to learn when everyone goes out of their way to help him.
I do not believe that DCP refuses to learn, that is simply another of your misconceptions. Also, you have not simply been making fun of DCP, you have been actively encouraging AZ members to not reply to his threads. So no, I will not pardon your childish behavior Russ.
I hope you're not spending very much time on this shot because, first, it doesn't come up very often and if it does, it's usually because of poor prior shot selection and/or poor prior shot execution. Poor position play.
Did I have a second point? Oh yeah, practice simple position drills and not table length draw shots. Table length draw shots really bring down the house with "aaahs" and "ooohs" and "woo hoo" but then what? You're all pumped up after pulling off an ego shot and then you either miss the next shot or perform poorly and leave yourself without a shot.
As for your shot, instead of thinking "how do I draw this" because that question is answered by elevating the butt of the cue at 45 deg. angle and doing a swift but smooth pokey and the cueball will return to you, instead practice playing defense and see how many times you can leave your imaginary opponent without a shot. If you can leave your opponent without a clean shot at the object ball 4 out of 10 attempts, that's good. Improve that defense to 8 out of 10, and as Mark Wilson likes to see, we'll all be watching DCP on ESPN. LOL!
As for your draw shot example, I saw the lovely and gracious Allison Fisher pull off that shot in a match with the elegant and dignified Karen Corr.
But really, don't spend anymore than 1-2% of your practice time on these silly shots. Think your shots through and execute them properly, that's the key to successful pool.
Something that should be noted about this shot and all shots of this nature, including jump shots, is that proper alignment and a relaxed stroke are absolutely essential to successful execution. Many players, when forced to shoot jacked up, seem to get their cue up in the air by any means necessary, and fail to pay proper attention to keeping their shoulders, elbows, wrist and grip hand all in the same vertical plane. Attention paid to this fundamental detail will reap huge dividends when confronted with situations like these. In addition, it is vitally important to keep your grip and your stroke relaxed. As much or more so than any other shot in pool, drawing the ball jacked up absolutely demands that you stroke straight through the cue ball on the EXACT vertical center axis. There is no way, IMHO, that most players will do that consistently if there are muscles clenching and tightening up during the stroke.
The following exercise will severely test, but ultimately improve, your ability to deliver the cue straight through the vertical center of the cue ball. Your objective is to make the 9-ball and draw the cueball back into the corner pocket. (Naturally of course, it is assumed, based on your posts of the last week, that you are also devoting daily practice to drawing the cue ball straight back from your regular bridge and stance.)
To give credit where it is due, I believe that this is shot #3 of Bert Kinister's "60-minute Workout for 8-ball and 9-ball". Although there is spirited debate about the quality and content of some of Bert's subsequent videos, this is no question that this tape is of inestimable value. Practice the shots on this tape and it will improve your game--guaranteed!
P.S. (to Bert Kinister)--We'll talk about a commission later!
now dont misunderstand, i am sure some good can be derived from practicing this incredibly difficult draw shot, but.............my instructor, whom i talked to about this very shot on Kinister's tape, said this was crazy to practice something like this. i agree. he pointed out that if you move the cue ball up about a foot closer on the table then it was much more worthwhile than having to jack up over the rail/corner, stroke down, etc, etc.
i appreciate you taking the time to point out this shot, i had forgotten about it on Kinister's tape. yes, some positive results can be derived from this shot, but as i recall wasnt Kinister shooting this shot on a 6 or 7 foot table?
The following exercise will severely test, but ultimately improve, your ability to deliver the cue straight through the vertical center of the cue ball. Your objective is to make the 9-ball and draw the cueball back into the corner pocket. (Naturally of course, it is assumed, based on your posts of the last week, that you are also devoting daily practice to drawing the cue ball straight back from your regular bridge and stance.)
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he pointed out that if you move the cue ball up about a foot closer on the table then it was much more worthwhile than having to jack up over the rail/corner, stroke down, etc, etc.
DCP
DCP: Try READING the post! See that part in parentheses? And you wonder why Russ gets on you so?
You started this thread about a jacked-up draw shot!
Neil,
the jacked up draw shot i diagrammed was much, MUCH easier than the shot diagrammed here. in this one you can get down inside the pocket, whereas on mine you are jacked up over the rail.
again, i thanked him for reminding me of the shot, but its not quite the shot i diagrammed. and i also mentioned that positive results can be derived from practicing his shot.
DCP, I know I have given you a hard time, but I'll give you a practice tip that I think will really help correct a lot of stroke deficiencies all at once.
Take a tall liquor bottle. Put it on your pool table. Practice stroking into it verrrrrrrry slowly at first, then as you get more comfortable, practice at faster speeds.
Practice tapping the back of the bottle lightly during this exercise. Practice this enough, and you will develop muscle memory in your arm. This exercise will force you to stroke in a straight line. Practice this until you can pull your tip back from the bottle 5-6 inches, and stroke 12 inches deep into the bottle.
Practice this for a week. Minimum 1 hour per day. Then, when you start hitting balls, rely on the muscle memory, and do not look at the cue ball. I think you rely on looking at the cue ball because you may not have a consistent, repeatable stroke.
I absolutely, 100% guarantee if you do this, you will find your shotmaking will improve at least 20%. Then, when you know you are hitting the cue ball EXACTLY where you intend, everything else becomes much easier, since you have a "reference stroke" that you can rely on.
This is basically the same method Jimmy Wetch started out with. Except he used hollowed out chalk cubes. It works. And on the plus side, it doesn't take LONG to work.
DCP, I know I have given you a hard time, but I'll give you a practice tip that I think will really help correct a lot of stroke deficiencies all at once.
Take a tall liquor bottle. Put it on your pool table. Practice stroking into it verrrrrrrry slowly at first, then as you get more comfortable, practice at faster speeds.
Russ,
i had forgotten about this practice method, thanks for reminding me!
eerie part is tonight, when i was quitting, i noticed my old coca-cola bottle that Rossman had me using several years ago. like one of the best high school basketball coaches around here used to say come tournament time, "Its always a good idea to return to the simple little fundamental drills and work on them for a couple of weeks before the tournament begins."
might have to get that out tomorrow night. i do think that Mr. Helfert's tip of hitting the draw shot EXTREMELY hard for practice helped, i ran several racks tonight, and my pocketing, position, and speed was pretty good.
who knows, you AZB'ers might make a player out of me yet. now if i can just keep my head out of my a~s long enough to listen and apply..........
If you want to play the ball thats in the same half of the table as your object ball I wouldn't even draw it. I'd try and hit it as center as I could and bank the following ball into the corner. But thats with a little cheat, if its dead on then I'd try and follow it nice and easy and go for the cross side pocket.
DCP, I know I have given you a hard time, but I'll give you a practice tip that I think will really help correct a lot of stroke deficiencies all at once.
Take a tall liquor bottle. Put it on your pool table. Practice stroking into it verrrrrrrry slowly at first, then as you get more comfortable, practice at faster speeds.
Practice tapping the back of the bottle lightly during this exercise. Practice this enough, and you will develop muscle memory in your arm. This exercise will force you to stroke in a straight line. Practice this until you can pull your tip back from the bottle 5-6 inches, and stroke 12 inches deep into the bottle.
Practice this for a week. Minimum 1 hour per day. Then, when you start hitting balls, rely on the muscle memory, and do not look at the cue ball. I think you rely on looking at the cue ball because you may not have a consistent, repeatable stroke.
I absolutely, 100% guarantee if you do this, you will find your shotmaking will improve at least 20%. Then, when you know you are hitting the cue ball EXACTLY where you intend, everything else becomes much easier, since you have a "reference stroke" that you can rely on.
This is basically the same method Jimmy Wetch started out with. Except he used hollowed out chalk cubes. It works. And on the plus side, it doesn't take LONG to work.
I like that shot too. I'm not much better at banks but with a little follow it looks to be about a dead bank. Leave the cueball on the rail and you've got a pretty good angle on the 3, and no problem getting back to the 4.
