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try both, figure whats better for you
i use layered, single piece just feels wrong on the hit to me
I'm actually playing with an elkmaster milkdud and half an elkmaster milkdud glued together (So it starts off a bit taller). So it's kinda like a 2 layered tip.
On a related note:
Darren once gave the following, paraphrased, nugget: "People who have short strokes should be using soft tips. People who have big strokes, like Shane, want harder tips."
I took that under advisement and watched a few people I know, some who shoot great and some who don't. His observation was accurate. The better players who had very compact strokes were using very soft tips, and the rotation players who moved the cue ball around a lot were using harder ones. The newer players didn't have a clue what was on theirs, or didn't really care.
Most of the very soft tip people were using single layer tips.
Darren once gave the following, paraphrased, nugget: "People who have short strokes should be using soft tips. People who have big strokes, like Shane, want harder tips."
I took that under advisement and watched a few people I know, some who shoot great and some who don't. His observation was accurate. The better players who had very compact strokes were using very soft tips, and the rotation players who moved the cue ball around a lot were using harder ones. The newer players didn't have a clue what was on theirs, or didn't really care.
Most of the very soft tip people were using single layer tips.
So as long as it's a tip you like, tip choice doesn't matter. Makes sense ;-)
KMRUNOUT
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Tried many, settled on one pc a few years ago for all reasons mentioned by respected Members who posted who prefer a 1 pc over the many current and 'new and improved' Layered offerings coming out weekly.
Straight up Triangle's are my go to, Dawgs Duds are top shelf, consistent, hard and provide excellent action. If you can pick through box of newer LePro's they also play very nice.
The only Layered tips I like are 5 layer SuperPro's which are nice and 'firm' and play close to 1 pc but need more attention than said 1 pc tips.
I loathe cutting my well used, old broken in short Triangle off my player. That is when it is at it's best.
Like anything in life it's all a personal preference on what you choose to use for equipment. Many of my friends will play nothing but Moori, Kamui, G2 etc and think I am nuts playing with a $1 tip when I can afford, play and install anything I choose. To each their own.
Have a good day,
-Kat,
Straight up Triangle's are my go to, Dawgs Duds are top shelf, consistent, hard and provide excellent action. If you can pick through box of newer LePro's they also play very nice.
The only Layered tips I like are 5 layer SuperPro's which are nice and 'firm' and play close to 1 pc but need more attention than said 1 pc tips.
I loathe cutting my well used, old broken in short Triangle off my player. That is when it is at it's best.
Like anything in life it's all a personal preference on what you choose to use for equipment. Many of my friends will play nothing but Moori, Kamui, G2 etc and think I am nuts playing with a $1 tip when I can afford, play and install anything I choose. To each their own.
Have a good day,
-Kat,
Layered tips are usually so bad they make you wanna break your cue in half and go golfing instead. That said - Ultraskin are good. G2 are ok. Might be some others.
Anything Kamui is complete garbage and you're a sucker for buying it. Single layer pressed tips are awesome, except that they're all different out of a box. If someone made a good consistently manufactured single layered tip these days it'd be wildly popular.
Anything Kamui is complete garbage and you're a sucker for buying it. Single layer pressed tips are awesome, except that they're all different out of a box. If someone made a good consistently manufactured single layered tip these days it'd be wildly popular.
I like all medium tips once then become hard, they still grip but have that crispy tone...any hard tip I've installed and played with doesn't feel nor sound right, they also don't seem to grip the cue ball adequately.
Single layered pressed tips work well, milk duds, outsville mediums, a good triangle or lepro all do their job, but sometimes I feel they lack a sort of "bounce" sensation. Sometimes they have it sometimes they don't, hard to really describe I guess.
As far as layered tips go, I've always liked SIB mediums once they've been played with, say maybe 3-4 layers left, same with ZAN mediums, kamui brown mediums, kamikazi brown mediums, the old tiger snipers.
Hated the precision tips, didn't like G2's that much either, nor will I ever buy another kamui tip, any black tip for that matter. They always seem to glaze quicker, which is no big deal but I'd just rather not have to scuff my tip every other rack.
Currently have been playing with zan mediums and think they're great as far as holding chalk and minimum break in period.
Ferrule material and shaft/shaft taper play a huge roll in finding that certain sensation and tone just as much as the cue tip though, along with proper installation.
It's all subjective though so you just gotta try and find out whatcha like.
Single layered pressed tips work well, milk duds, outsville mediums, a good triangle or lepro all do their job, but sometimes I feel they lack a sort of "bounce" sensation. Sometimes they have it sometimes they don't, hard to really describe I guess.
As far as layered tips go, I've always liked SIB mediums once they've been played with, say maybe 3-4 layers left, same with ZAN mediums, kamui brown mediums, kamikazi brown mediums, the old tiger snipers.
Hated the precision tips, didn't like G2's that much either, nor will I ever buy another kamui tip, any black tip for that matter. They always seem to glaze quicker, which is no big deal but I'd just rather not have to scuff my tip every other rack.
Currently have been playing with zan mediums and think they're great as far as holding chalk and minimum break in period.
Ferrule material and shaft/shaft taper play a huge roll in finding that certain sensation and tone just as much as the cue tip though, along with proper installation.
It's all subjective though so you just gotta try and find out whatcha like.
Dr. Cheng sells Hirano cue tips on eBay, they're 4 layer but thicker layers than the norm. The medium was great, the two days after I installed it then became much too hard without the grip.
I've been wanting to order the softs but haven't gotten to it. They also take a few weeks to arrive in the mail but I'd be willing to bet they play pretty sufficient.
I apologize for the double post, I just read this feller's post and felt compelled to let him know that there is a "less" layered tip on the market, and I truly think that a less layers but thicker layer tip will be the future.
I've tried a number of layered tips.
Some were good,some were not.
I got tired of paying $25 and up for a tip installed.
I went back to good old Triangle tips.
I pay $13 for one installed.
$20 for one installed with a shaft cleaning and waxing.
And they play just fine.
Some were good,some were not.
I got tired of paying $25 and up for a tip installed.
I went back to good old Triangle tips.
I pay $13 for one installed.
$20 for one installed with a shaft cleaning and waxing.
And they play just fine.
Really, what's better: blondes or red heads?
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Different tips for different people - try both and decide afterwards.
And layered tips don't need to be horribly expensive - the SIBs and Ultra Skins are always a good start.
And don't be afraid to try layered ones in soft! Whole different experience.
Cheers,
M
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Different tips for different people - try both and decide afterwards.
And layered tips don't need to be horribly expensive - the SIBs and Ultra Skins are always a good start.
And don't be afraid to try layered ones in soft! Whole different experience.
Cheers,
M
Just the design.
I have no real or long term experience with brands.
That's why I speak in generalities of design.
Too many layers = Too much adhesive.
Too much adhesive = A tip made mostly of synthetic material.
And you know how that has been turning out.
Thank You both for your kind comments.
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Redheads, they don't mushroom, don't glaze over, and you can tip ***** them without fear...i swear we covered this already.
Kamui clear medium don't mushroom either
But only suckers would know that lol!
But only suckers would know that lol!
That actually makes a little sense. I hate comparing pool to tennis. However when I used to live in Charlotte. A lot of people would bring their rackets to me because I was pretty good at stringing them. Looking over the racket. Asking them about their game. I could usually guess what kind of string to use and the proper weight to string at.
I think the same thing would apply depending upon, shaft, weight and the person stroke. Good info.
If you play softly, then a soft tip won't harden quickly. Also you may prefer the soft feel to give you more of a "pushing" feeling on the soft shots. I used to play a soft game, and when I put a hard tip on, I felt like I completely lost control on the short, soft shots.
In general, I feel that a hard tip is more demanding of your stroke, but it also gives you more power and more direct feedback to the hand. I would never recommend a hard tip to a beginner. At most a medium, but generally soft. If your stroke is good, then it's all a matter of preference, though I've never met a "soft" player that prefers hard tips, I'm sure that somewhere a guy like that exists.
Not sure what a soft player is. One who plays 14.1 exclusively? I think in every game, 3 cushion included, soft shots and power strokes are required. Do you mean a beginner who is what I call a "slow roller"?
I mean someone who prefers to shoot softly whenever that is an option, using spin to get around.