To glue it to staple?

DeeDeeCues said:
Hmm... Two opinions without much support. Why is gluing better vs why is it harder?

Glue has an obvious advantage of stressing each stand equally.

Staples can easily be removed if mistakes are made.

I don't care much about the chemical issue.

Thanks for the thoughts.
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If your staple pattern is consistent, no worries. If you get "striping" your stapling is not consistent. Half inch is what Simonis DVDs suggests I think>??

Sounds like you wont be recovering your table once a year= no issues stapling.

IMO, in commercial environments it is a good idea to use adhesive.

Wooden slate backers purpose = To staple into.

Non Backed slate = adhesive bond.

Simple.

When someone has a financial interest in selling adhesive= of course every table in the world must use the adhesive method.

When I must use adhesive: I use RKC250, it works great. I dont like ANY contact adhesives for their toxic nature.

I know someone who religiously uses Parabond M-250 and its way less expensive than RKC-250 or Fastbond N10.

When John Palmers water based adhesive comes out, hopefully that will be better than the options now.

People that use spray adhesive every day= I pray for them, that stuff is terrible for humans.



TFT
 
trentfromtoledo said:
If your staple pattern is consistent, no worries. If you get "striping" your stapling is not consistent. Half inch is what Simonis DVDs suggests I think>??

Sounds like you wont be recovering your table once a year= no issues stapling.

IMO, in commercial environments it is a good idea to use adhesive.

Wooden slate backers purpose = To staple into.

Non Backed slate = adhesive bond.

Simple.

When someone has a financial interest in selling adhesive= of course every table in the world must use the adhesive method.

When I must use adhesive: I use RKC250, it works great. I dont like ANY contact adhesives for their toxic nature.

I know someone who religiously uses Parabond M-250 and its way less expensive than RKC-250 or Fastbond N10.

When John Palmers water based adhesive comes out, hopefully that will be better than the options now.

People that use spray adhesive every day= I pray for them, that stuff is terrible for humans.



TFT
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Thank you!

I'll probably be recovering my table more often than most home tables, but it shouldn't be more than every couple of years, I'd think.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Thank you!

I'll probably be recovering my table more often than most home tables, but it shouldn't be more than every couple of years, I'd think.
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The difference between gluing and stapling is experience, 40 years experience vs a few years experience. When you encounter slates with MDF backing on them all blown out from stapling the bed cloth down, what are you going to do, replace it so you can go back to stapling again? How about slates with the wood backing that are missing sections of the backing, leaving you now where to staple, you going to replace that backing as well? Not to mention having to pull out all the staples you put in, just to put them all back in again😅🤣🤣 i guess it's a good thing the cushions and facings are glued on instead of stapled, but it's funny no one complains about using glue then, and their safety issues!😉
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Thank you!

I'll probably be recovering my table more often than most home tables, but it shouldn't be more than every couple of years, I'd think.
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Your slate backers will be good!! I use a non neumatic hand stapler with thin wire staples in the pockets in order to not damage the slate backer as much.

TFT
P.s. your slate backers are not MDF. ;)
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Hmm... Two opinions without much support. Why is gluing better vs why is it harder?
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Only one of those "opinions" has the weight of 40 years experience behind it. Mine you may take with a grain of salt, I don't have the experience of some that are here, but have learned/am learning from the one with 40 years behind him. ;)
Gluing needs to be done right, and there are a few things you need to get right or it could go badly. It is NOT harder and parts of the process are actually easier. Like I said, watch the Jonas video, and see if you think you can duplicate that process. If so, you're good go. Stapling will be more forgiving, but glue will do a better job and be easier next time.
 
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Sheldon said:
The other I can't really say because I have decided to ignore blowhards and hacks. Mine you may take with a grain of salt, I don't have the experience of some that are here, but have learned/am learning from the one with 40 years behind him. ;)
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you are right about one thing: I have the experience you wish you did. I developed my own adhesive edge bond method using RKC250 and it works.... I dont need to use it on wood backed slates...

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You guys are imparting information. You can do it without lobbing insults (veiled or not) at each other. Imparting your own opinions about how to do work is great. Insults result in bans.
 
azhousepro said:
You guys are imparting information. You can do it without lobbing insults (veiled or not) at each other. Imparting your own opinions about how to do work is great. Insults result in bans.
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Mike, when someone tells me what I did when making the Simonis videos to back up their so called claim as fact, that's BS. JAY didn't want to staple the bed cloth down on the GC4 in the Simonis DVD, he wanted me to show my glue down method instead because he didn't want to re-enforce stapling down the bed cloths, when there was a much better way of installing the cloths! I was the one who said NO because of the 3M10 availability, and the lack of it being sold in 17 states as well as out of country! So for Trent to use Jay stapling down the bed cloth in that DVD to give himself some kind of credibility in this thread is BS!

I KNOW what I did in those DVD's, he has no clue! ALL the best table mechanics i know are gluing the bed cloths down, NOT stapling them! So how he does his work is completely up to him, but he's out of line trying to build credibility off MY back!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
Mike, when someone tells me what I did when making the Simonis videos to back up their so called claim as fact, that's BS. JAY didn't want to staple the bed cloth down on the GC4 in the Simonis DVD, he wanted me to show my glue down method instead because he didn't want to re-enforce stapling down the bed cloths, when there was a much better way of installing the cloths! I was the one who said NO because of the 3M10 availability, and the lack of it being sold in 17 states as well as out of country! So for Trent to use Jay stapling down the bed cloth in that DVD to give himself some kind of credibility in this thread is BS!

I KNOW what I did in those DVD's, he has no clue! ALL the best table mechanics i know are gluing the bed cloths down, NOT stapling them! So how he does his work is completely up to him, be he's out of line trying to build credibility off MY back!!!
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It looks to me as if you both have opinions as to the best way to do this. You can both show evidence that supports your opinion. It's when this gets into name calling, that I have to step in.
 
azhousepro said:
It looks to me as if you both have opinions as to the best way to do this. You can both show evidence that supports your opinion. It's when this gets into name calling, that I have to step in.
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And I've show my claims over and over again, but I don't have a problem showing my work, I'm not hiding it from anyone!!!
 
RKC .... I think those last 2 posts put the nail (not staple) in the coffin! (PUN is intended ;) That is the way I think it should be done AS long as you can get the CORRECT product to do the job, Have heard that SOME products are on back order, Glen. ? 2 GC6's are being covered without the correct product, Staples. 1 was covered yesterday and the other will be covered Sunday the old fashion way. lol He tried to get the product but was refunded due to no supply. Hope Johnny and Rodney like the old way ;)
 
Rospaw1966 said:
RKC .... I think those last 2 posts put the nail (not staple) in the coffin! (PUN is intended ;) That is the way I think it should be done AS long as you can get the CORRECT product to do the job, Have heard that SOME products are on back order, Glen. ? 2 GC6's are being covered without the correct product, Staples. 1 was covered yesterday and the other will be covered Sunday the old fashion way. lol He tried to get the product but was refunded due to no supply. Hope Johnny and Rodney like the old way ;)
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Waiting on product is the new normal, trust me, it bothers me a lot!!!
 
Thanks everybody!

What material is the white strip that is stapled to the cloth in the pocket? Looks like nylon plastic, or similar?
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Thanks everybody!

What material is the white strip that is stapled to the cloth in the pocket? Looks like nylon plastic, or similar?
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You need to use 1/2" long staples to hold from pulling loose, going into end grain wood makes them easy to pull out. I just grab the strap with pliers and pull them out with the straping tape.
 
azhousepro said:
It looks to me as if you both have opinions as to the best way to do this. You can both show evidence that supports your opinion. It's when this gets into name calling, that I have to step in.
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I never called anyone a name, nor did I call anyone a liar😉
 
realkingcobra said:
You need to use 1/2" long staples to hold from pulling loose, going into end grain wood makes them easy to pull out. I just grab the strap with pliers and pull them out with the straping tape.
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None were on my table. Still had tacks. As previously mentioned, there is only evidence of this table being recovered a few times in its life.
 
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