No, they are not - "call pocket" is a term made up by someone(s) who did not know
what "call shot" means.
Dale
to hell with call shots...anyone else gone back to "slop" and loving it?
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No, they are not - "call pocket" is a term made up by someone(s) who did not know
what "call shot" means.
Dale
That's right, anything else are weird house rules laid out there by bar players & shut-ins.
The intent of call shot for normal or knowledgeable players is universally played as ball in pocket.
If you are a home player you can make up your own rules, same if you are a bar
regular who considers himself the best drunk pool player in the house.
Pool is supposed to be fun yet competitive, and call every rail & kiss is pretty damn far
from 'gentleman's pool", especially when it's more likely to cause an argument.
The game rule is “all object balls made count”, the house rule is who wins the first position to pick and play first makes the rule(s) call.
There are a few rule options at the point of play. The better player winning the call seams to defer the choice of play and picks the last position, pretty much can handle whatever/how you want to play it.
We through darts for position, high number start with their pick of position, whoever ends up in the first position makes the call; lately we have had foursomes, the game is 4ball.
Some call it slop; I like to play/call it as an educated guess.
There are a few rule options at the point of play. The better player winning the call seams to defer the choice of play and picks the last position, pretty much can handle whatever/how you want to play it.
We through darts for position, high number start with their pick of position, whoever ends up in the first position makes the call; lately we have had foursomes, the game is 4ball.
Some call it slop; I like to play/call it as an educated guess.
Isn't it just the opposite?
Bangers need to call pockets; good players don't. Bangers bang in shots with little idea of how; good players almost never make their shots in the wrong pockets, so little need to call the pocket.
This shot calling has caused more bar fights than the old quarters-stacking on the table did.
Paul S?, here on AZB, changed my mind on this.
Jeff Livingston
I just signed up for American Rotation league and printed out the rules yesterday. I was practicing and discovered that the call shot and call safety rules seem to take away any of the two-way shots. That really limits some options for winning, I think....I'll know better after the 12 week season is over.
http://americanbilliardclub.com/play/rulebook/
That rotation game requires calling pockets and safeties; it wouldn't work as planned without those.
Jeff Livingston
Call shot is what's played here in "Hillbilly" country. Anything lesser is considered for
beginners, women and children.
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I think most better players here would prefer to play call shot if there is a choice, as it takes the bad shot luck out of the competition.
Best 2 Ya,
Rick
This "non-hillbilly" is with you!!Call shot is what's played here in "Hillbilly" country. Anything lesser is considered for
beginners, women and children.
I still remember Mosconi '14.
Neils missed, got a lucky carom to make the 9 And WON THE MATCH!!
Total b.s. And definitely nothing to cheer about.
Well it's played here by those that can play & 'slop' is played by those that can NOT play.
If it's just for fun & not about a friendly competition to see who is the better player, then why do rules matter at all? You just shoot until you're ready to give me a turn & then I'll do the same.
If someone asks for a friendly game & I ask, "Call shot?" & they say, "How about just call pocket?", I then sort of know that I am probably the better player. At least that is how I think it is around here, for the most part. If when I ask & they say, "Okay", then I know I might have a game on.
ALL Best Wishes for All.
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Read post #85. It shows the actual rules. So, I guess the guys that wrote the actual rules didn't know what they were talking about.
It may be a regional thing to where you are not familiar with it at all, but call shot is not just a bar bangers game.
Hoist on his own petard.
Just heard a funny story that has to do with a player thinking that his restrictive rules proved he was the better player.
At a local tournament (probably 9 ball) that played BCAPL rules. A new guy at the bar commented that he only played straight 8 and for $150 a game. Overhearing this comment a local player told him, "Well, there is a player in here tonight that is a professional and I am sure he would oblige you with a $150 game. To this Mr. Straight 8 replied, "I don't care if he is a pro".
So introductions were made. Mr. Pro Player being a true gentleman agreed to let Mr. Straight 8 name the rules. Mr. Straight 8 wanted call everything and a scratch on the break was loss of game. Mr. Pro agreed, won the flip and said, "since I won the toss I want you to break".
Mr. Straight 8 proceeded to break and scratch twice in a row. End of Match.
Just heard a funny story that has to do with a player thinking that his restrictive rules proved he was the better player.
At a local tournament (probably 9 ball) that played BCAPL rules. A new guy at the bar commented that he only played straight 8 and for $150 a game. Overhearing this comment a local player told him, "Well, there is a player in here tonight that is a professional and I am sure he would oblige you with a $150 game. To this Mr. Straight 8 replied, "I don't care if he is a pro".
So introductions were made. Mr. Pro Player being a true gentleman agreed to let Mr. Straight 8 name the rules. Mr. Straight 8 wanted call everything and a scratch on the break was loss of game. Mr. Pro agreed, won the flip and said, "since I won the toss I want you to break".
Mr. Straight 8 proceeded to break and scratch twice in a row. End of Match.
"Call shot" "Call pocket"
I can't remember the last time I had to clarify that before a match.
Unless you are either a bar banger or living under a rock, you know what the game is supposed to be, and how to play it.
"Hey man it's my quarter, call pocket"
"No it's my table, we're playing call shot"
"Okay man"
"Wanna just play for the table"
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You know that's not how it's played, you've been around (I thought)
That rule for American Rotation was taken out of context if you think that call more than ball in pocket is actually part of the game
See the guy in my sig line.....thinks call shot 10 ball is disgusting...
keep the local yokel rules in the bars...doesn't belong at the higher levels of the game.
Some players require even more than "call pocket". I had a guy think he could make any ball in the called pocket. Since that misunderstanding I now say "ball and pocket".
That's pretty normal.
If a guy want's to play me and starts with this call every titty crap, I don't care what the venue is, I would go somewhere else and play.
Lucky for me, since my return to pool in '02, it has only happened once, and yes it was a real bar banger, and an asshole too.
That same night he got his ass kicked for kissing another dudes girlfriend.
Then another guy got launched across the pool room for playing a safety shot.
Welcome to call everything hillbilly pool
I think Joe Tucker invented those rules for this version of rotation. I posted those rules mostly as a response to Fran's post about two way shots. If you go to the site and download the whole rules, he does state that it is not necessary to call kicks, banks, caroms, etc., but it is necessary to call the pocket and to call safeties, as those calls affect who gets credit for pots and who gets to shoot next.
It really wasn't to post "the" general rules of pool.
fyi,
Jeff Livingston
I know, but some people had to take it that way, so I had to overstate the intent so they would get it.
I understood exactly where it came from, but others had to spin it as a general rule.
I really think we are dealing with a pocketpoint point of view, if you know what I mean.
At least one of the pocketpoints, maybe 8 or 9, possibly 11.
When I was playing a lot & as far as I can still tell most bar bangers in the New Orleans area played & are playing either total luck counts as in you just have to hit the ball that needs to be hit or they play call the pocket.
Most bar bangers here do not want to play call your shot. It is only the better players that play call your shot in this area.
You guys can say all that want & try to demean all that you want.
If anyone will not play call your shot IMO, they are either afraid of it for some reason or they are an inferior player & are looking for that 'luck' shot that let's then keep shooting to 'steal' a win.
Like I said, I will play any way as long as we both know what that is going in.
Perhaps we are just different here. We have parishes instead of counties, gumbo instead of stew, & still have some Napoleonic Laws still on the books & many of us still open doors for females & walk on the street side of the walkway when with a female.
All Best Wishes for ALL.
Most bar bangers here do not want to play call your shot. It is only the better players that play call your shot in this area.
You guys can say all that want & try to demean all that you want.
If anyone will not play call your shot IMO, they are either afraid of it for some reason or they are an inferior player & are looking for that 'luck' shot that let's then keep shooting to 'steal' a win.
Like I said, I will play any way as long as we both know what that is going in.
Perhaps we are just different here. We have parishes instead of counties, gumbo instead of stew, & still have some Napoleonic Laws still on the books & many of us still open doors for females & walk on the street side of the walkway when with a female.
All Best Wishes for ALL.