to hell with call shots...anyone else gone back to "slop" and loving it?

ENGLISH! said:
I have stated a few time now that THAT is NOT the type of call shot rules I, & others are talking about.

I think that THAT misunderstanding is at the root of the (dis) consternation within this thread

All Best Wishes for ALL.

PS Please remind me to never play you for money if you are truly okay taking credit for a shot that you did NOT execute as you intended.
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Not to worry. On the rare occasions you find me on a pool table I simply won't play. I don't enjoy arguing and why you'll never find me playing in a bar with strangers. Calling everything that could possibly happen on every shot is no fun. I play for the enjoyment of the game, not the satisfaction of wining an argument over some made up local rule.
 
3kushn said:
Not to worry. On the rare occasions you find me on a pool table I simply won't play. I don't enjoy arguing and why you'll never find me playing in a bar with strangers. Calling everything that could possibly happen on every shot is no fun. I play for the enjoyment of the game, not the satisfaction of wining an argument over some made up local rule.
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I have very little bar table experience....'cause I rarely drink alcohol.
...so I missed out on a lot of these groggy rules and groggy thinking.

I see by your AZ moniker that you like carombole....so I'm guessing you have a pretty good idea what call shots takes OUT of a game.

There are so many shots at 3-cushion where you go a certain route that gives you more than one way of scoring. Dallas West showed me a shot once...he said "If I see a player go in short on this shot, I know he can't beat me....if you go in long, you have three chances of making it.
 
3kushn said:
Not to worry. On the rare occasions you find me on a pool table I simply won't play. I don't enjoy arguing and why you'll never find me playing in a bar with strangers. Calling everything that could possibly happen on every shot is no fun. I play for the enjoyment of the game, not the satisfaction of wining an argument over some made up local rule.
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You see. You use the word COULD when saying COULD happen.

THAT is not the type of call shots of which I & others are speaking.

There is no 'might happen' crap.

If a carom shot is called & the ball pockets with no carom then the shot is not good.

In call pocket, the ball can hit the ball carom off & then go carom off another ball rattle in the pocket come out & carom back in & it's all good...

even though the shooter had no intention of hitting the balls that it caromed off of.... just because the shooter called that pocket.

I think if those that are 'against' call shot in this thread would watch games of the like that I & others are talking about they would have no problem with it.

In all of my time playing call shot, I can probably count on one hand, maybe two, the number of times any "real questioning" has come up & almost never any arguments.

I, like you, am not looking to play with that type of individual. If I ask someone if that is how they intended to play a shot & they say yes, then that is the end of it.

If someone asks me if that is how intended to play a shot & they take issue with me saying yes, then they can have it their way & that is the last game we will be playing.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
I think if those that are 'against' call shot in this thread would watch games of the like that I & others are talking about they would have no problem with it.
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I wouldn't have any problem with the game that you describe when both players understand exactly what is expected. And apparently, in your area and circle, everyone knows what is expected. When they don't, "call shot" is too vague for public bars.

So, I am not against your game. But is there any allowance for slop that happens on leave? If I botch a shot and inadvertently leave you locked up where you can't make a legal hit, will it result in BIH for me?
 
Scratch85 said:
I wouldn't have any problem with the game that you describe when both players understand exactly what is expected. And apparently, in your area and circle, everyone knows what is expected. When they don't, "call shot" is too vague for public bars.

So, I am not against your game. But is there any allowance for slop that happens on leave? If I botch a shot and inadvertently leave you locked up where you can't make a legal hit, will it result in BIH for me?
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Yes that part of 'luck' (if not shot as an intentional 'two way' shot) is still a part of the game but there are the other legal shot requirements that must be met. All Luck is not taken out, but as much as reasonably possible.

I will never forget shooting an 8 ball for the win very softly to avoid a scratch & both balls stopped short of falling in & my opponent said, "That's ball in hand.". I said, "what...why". He said neither ball hit a rail.

Naturally he was right even though the 8 ball was well within the jaws & rail noses.

ALL Best Wishes to ALL.
 
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Neil said:
Read post #85. It shows the actual rules. So, I guess the guys that wrote the actual rules didn't know what they were talking about.

It may be a regional thing to where you are not familiar with it at all, but call shot is not just a bar bangers game.
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Like you, they sure didn't. the term "call shot" predates those rules by about 99 years or so.

All you have to do is look at a rule book from the 50s. There will be a description of
calling shots in the rules for 14.1.

Again - "call pocket" is a term used for "call shot" by people who don't know what they are talking about.
You know, people like you.

IMHO - they are cousins of the people who refer to balk as "the kitchen". Truly cringeworthy.

Dale
 
Swighey said:
Depends a little on your definition of call shot. In snooker, you never have to call the pocket but you do have to call the ball when you are on a colour after potting a red. In the grand old days before the "modern" rules you also had to call the ball on your second colour after potting the yellow, green, brown and blue - getting on for 2/3 of the shots during the rotation part of the game,

In pool there are arguments for and against - the "two way" shot being the classic argument for "slop" or non-call shot games. I like to call it the "I'm going for one or the other" shot rather than "two way" shot and vote for call shot all the way. "Two way shot" to me means something different - playing so that if your intended shot doesn't come off then you leave yourself in a not-too-bad position - somewhere between playing aggressively and defensively. "Slop" arguably gives stronger players an even bigger "edge" over weaker players in the long or even non-instantaneous run but call shot makes the game better and purer and helps it keep its integrity.
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As all us Snooker rule gurus who speak English know - that is called 'nominate'
and is not 'call shot'.

Dale
 
3kushn said:
Not to worry. On the rare occasions you find me on a pool table I simply won't play. I don't enjoy arguing and why you'll never find me playing in a bar with strangers. Calling everything that could possibly happen on every shot is no fun. I play for the enjoyment of the game, not the satisfaction of wining an argument over some made up local rule.
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Nicely worded comment
100% right on, could not of been said more articulately
 
Well I have read this thread and I must say that my head hurts now.

For myself I am happy to take any good roll that I can get, because the sun don't shine on my ass everyday.

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ENGLISH! said:
You see. You use the word COULD when saying COULD happen.

THAT is not the type of call shots of which I & others are speaking.

There is no 'might happen' crap.

If a carom shot is called & the ball pockets with no carom then the shot is not good.

In call pocket, the ball can hit the ball carom off & then go carom off another ball rattle in the pocket come out & carom back in & it's all good...

even though the shooter had no intention of hitting the balls that it caromed off of.... just because the shooter called that pocket.

I think if those that are 'against' call shot in this thread would watch games of the like that I & others are talking about they would have no problem with it.

In all of my time playing call shot, I can probably count on one hand, maybe two, the number of times any "real questioning" has come up & almost never any arguments.

I, like you, am not looking to play with that type of individual. If I ask someone if that is how they intended to play a shot & they say yes, then that is the end of it.

If someone asks me if that is how intended to play a shot & they take issue with me saying yes, then they can have it their way & that is the last game we will be playing.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
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I can tell from your responses and post count that you really need to be heard, so I
suggest you get your own chatroom, and stop all this ridiculous drivel about calling
every kiss & rail.
You would also need your own pool table, because if you actually play the game
(which is doubtful based on all of your comments) nobody would want to play you,
and if you went to a pool hall you would probably get your ass kicked
 
cuesblues said:
I can tell from your responses and post count that you really need to be heard, so I
suggest you get your own chatroom, and stop all this ridiculous drivel about calling
every kiss & rail.
You would also need your own pool table, because if you actually play the game
(which is doubtful based on all of your comments) nobody would want to play you,
and if you went to a pool hall you would probably get your ass kicked
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Your 'omniscience' is way off. Perhaps you need a new tin foil helmeted antenna.

But you do have a very familiar style & sound.
 
pdcue said:
As all us Snooker rule gurus who speak English know - that is called 'nominate'
and is not 'call shot'.

Dale
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Hahaha "I nominate the 8 ball to the office of the corner pocket, to union with all corner pocket rights and privileges heretofore". Why do cue sports tend to be such a weirdly proper and formal game, when they're primarily played in places and by people who are the opposite? Different thread topic I suppose.
 
Don't love slop?
Your wife's first time cooking for you, or your kid's first time cooking for you.
The clothes you put on after an all night bender or trying to get out of the room
without being heard because you were drunk and left 'Coyote Ugly' back there nekid' on the bed and told her your name was Nick.
The meals you had in the Army,
Kitchen Sink Chili,
SpaghettiO's on a cold day when you were 10 years old,
Your first sweaty poke in the back seat.
The first time you hit a pool ball as hard as you could to watch it 17 rails and then it magically fell in a pocket, you beamed with pride,
Who doesn't love slop?
Say what you will, but we all know.
Everybody loves slop.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Your 'omniscience' is way off. Perhaps you need a new tin foil helmeted antenna.

But you do have a very familiar style & sound.
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Correct again, we have done this before..
The only thing that has changed since our last disagreement is your username.
 
cuesblues said:
Correct again, we have done this before..
The only thing that has changed since our last disagreement is your username.
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I only have & have always only had one & only one membership here.

Management would certainly have taken action if that was not the case.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I was going to change it up a lot...

but I realize your insincerity & ulterior motive...

Johnnie.
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Nothing insincere. Just pointing out the irony of that post.

If you aren't capable of understanding, then that's your problem.
 
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