I think we (you, I, and SP_99 are aligned), as his 2nd and 6th or sentence in that paragraph address the there are times that centerball is easier, and that position play for (vertical) center is more difficult throughout a rack.
To spin or not to spin?
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I think we (you, I, and SP_99 are aligned), as his 2nd and 6th or sentence in that paragraph address the there are times that centerball is easier, and that position play for (vertical) center is more difficult throughout a rack.
And who, besides you and a few others that advocate spin on almost every shot, have said that one should always play with no english? No one has said that, so why even make up that strawman argument and then rally against it?
As far as not using english being harder, that is only true for those that don't know how to use center axis combined with speed to control the cb. There is a youtube video out there with a guy doing the wagon wheel drill with no english. The caveat is, he doesn't take ball in hand on each shot, but instead shoots each shot with the cb in the same place. Only adjusting speed and height of hit on the vertical axis to put the cb to each of the ten locations after making the shot.
Try watching the Chinese and Taiwan players coming up. They tend to stay closer to center line than their American counterparts do. Don't see where they are having such a hard time doing so either.
As far as Straightpool 99's post, there is much wrong with it. So much that it isn't even worth going into it all because from what I have seen lately on here, people don't want to learn anymore. All they want to do is argue their opinions. And, if need be, they will add in a bunch of words that others never even said and then argue against those.
Just quit fighting phantoms. You're as bad as the rest. You acuse me of exactly why you do on this subject over and over.
You clearly havent watched the Taiwanese closely either. Why argue using theories when reality trumps it? Everyone knows I watch them live.
Or keep going on going on. Watching in person however does wonders. Try it some time instead trying to tell us all what they do. You wouldn't be the first to change their mind after actually watching live.
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Use it, or lose it....
There is no reason to argue, one way or the other, regarding the use of english (spin)..excessive, or otherwise!..It is an accepted fact, almost all top players (Strickland, Alex, Archer, SVB, etc) claim to use some spin on almost every shot!..This obviously makes them better equipped, to use whatever spin may be required, for any given situation!
Those who are convinced center ball should be the preferred method, will never obtain their maximum potential as a player!..While its good to become familiar with it, very few shots will call for center ball (or stun) contact with the cue ball..The sooner in their learning process that is realized, the further a player can progress!..
On second thought, I guess I am arguing...I do not believe for a minute, as some of you are implying..that any accomplished player, (Asian, Euru, Filipino, or whatever) achieved their top status, by using center ball logic!
There is no reason to argue, one way or the other, regarding the use of english (spin)..excessive, or otherwise!..It is an accepted fact, almost all top players (Strickland, Alex, Archer, SVB, etc) claim to use some spin on almost every shot!..This obviously makes them better equipped, to use whatever spin may be required, for any given situation!
Those who are convinced center ball should be the preferred method, will never obtain their maximum potential as a player!..While its good to become familiar with it, very few shots will call for center ball (or stun) contact with the cue ball..The sooner in their learning process that is realized, the further a player can progress!..
On second thought, I guess I am arguing...I do not believe for a minute, as some of you are implying..that any accomplished player, (Asian, Euru, Filipino, or whatever) achieved their top status, by using center ball logic!
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You know I like a lot of your posts, but this one does not prove your point.
It wasn't his amazing skill that got him perfect on the 5, it was luck. Hence why he raised his hand in apology towards his opponent. He was probably more focused on making the shot than getting shape, but knew the cueball would be headed towards the next ball just in case. So even if he didn't get shape, he would more than likely have an easy safety with all of the blockers around.
I think he had better options. Also he routinely plays the ball up and down the centerline of the table. This is the style they play, which is completely opposite of what Europeans, Americans and Pinoys play (They tend to move diagonally). He was lucky, but I believe his choice was deliberate, based on how he plays. He may have intended to land on the other side of the ball, though.
Not all of my posts are good. I'm aware of that. I tried to remember one instance where their play was somewhat haphazard. This was the one I could remember off the top of my head.
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damn, now you people make sJD arguing. This must be important stuff...
But surely we can agree that we wouldn't use Center ball anymore than left any more than right or high anymore than low or left... Or right.
It is in the Arsenal and it is called upon and it is used...Yes all of thems it
But surely we can agree that we wouldn't use Center ball anymore than left any more than right or high anymore than low or left... Or right.
It is in the Arsenal and it is called upon and it is used...Yes all of thems it
Assuming "they" agree and aren't fearful of teaching or applying English, at what point should someone start to introduce English into their game?
For me, I won't do wishy wash mincy lameass words. I think as soon as they can make balls, they should incorporate English. They'll sink or swim, but they can't become good if they can't swim. With help, many of us can help them swim. I ain't down with the "scared of all the variable" hogwash.
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I agree that he got a little lucky on the shot to the 5 ball. That said, set it up and shoot it 10 times your way, and then 10 times the way he shot it. See which way you have better success at. I believe you will learn a little something about why he shot it the way he did in your ten attempts. Something I don't think you realize yet.