Todays equilizer? And a fix? Fast cloth

Good14.1 players that played on slow cloth never needed any kind of powerful stroke very often. 95% of the game is pocketing and focusing for long periods of time. 14.1 is a good game, but lets not make it what its not. Johnnyt

PS: Keep in mind, when you need to use a power stroke in ANY game the chances of missing a ball go way up.
 
Why the hatred of templates. The ideal rack is tight and properly positioned. The templates insure this and limit the amount of nonsense a rack mechanic (e. g. Deshane or SVB) can do. A perfect rack should always be the goal. Why would anybody disagree with this?
 
I was always told long long ago that you need to have a stronger stroke to play well on slower cloth.
 
realkingcobra said:
To tell you the truth, the problem with pool is the pool players, not the game or the equipment. As long as dead money keep controlling the pool tournament's of the world....because there's no REQUIREMENT that a players must pass in order to be called an elite player of this sport, and therefor earn real money as a PROFESSIONAL PLAYER....there will never be any kind of sponsorships brought in to support this game of pool as a real sport....with professionals representing this sport to the world as a whole. Why don't golf handicap every professional golf tournament so that all those that don't stand a chance in hell of making a penny from the prize monies....then have a chance to win money too....just like the Pros do. Why don't bowling handicap the Pros so that the local bowlers that don't stand a chance in hell....can then share in the prize monies. Why can't guys who play hard core foot ball on the weekends with their buddies....put on a Seahawks uniform and play with the big boys on GAME DAY....AND GET PAID A LITTLE FOR THEIR EFFORTS TOO.....JUST LIKE THE PROS DO!!!.....BOTTOM LINE IS BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT TO WATCH 3 OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WOULD.....have to win their way through a field of stinking cry babies that INSIST they have a RIGHT to play against the best player in the WORLD.....BECAUSE THEY PAID THEIR F&%*ING tournament entry fee just like all their buddies did....and every one of them couch potatoes feel they have a chance to win because they've successful bastardized this sport into the screwed up mess that it's become today....by insisting on shorter races, alternating breaks, magic racks, jump cues....OR THEY WON'T PAY THEIR ENTRY FEE.....AND THEIR WON'T BE ANY TOURNAMENT WITHOUT THEIR BUMASSES.....in case you don't know what that is is called.....a free ride on their money because they CERTAINLY couldn't EARN a spot if there was a skill level test they had to be in the top 128 player list in oder to compete!!!!!
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So what are your actual viable suggestions to fix it?

How are you going to change things to get more people involved and wanting to play in tournaments?

How are you going to change things to get companies involved and wanting to put up money?
 
Someone already said, but I'll use more words. Take a game with a given set of rules, and the people with the most natural ability combined with the intelligence to learn and improve will dominate. It's that simple. You can complain all you want about this rule or that rule, but it is highly unlikely that any rule change is going to appreciable change up who will rise to the top. Organize a tournament with slow cloth, gaping pockets, no jump cues, the triangle rack, whatever. Put a high enough prize amount that the pros will be motivated to practice with this new format. Does anyone really believe that the top finishers will be much different then they are today?

And I'm not convinced about the argument that any given change, if it requires more "power", is going to make an appreciable make a difference. I get that in say weightlifting. I understand it might matter in the drive in golf. But in billiards. . .I mean how much power do you really need here. Even in current tournaments, I see people hit a break shot speed that is well within the reach of most players including women. Most of the power is coming from the mass of the cue, not from you accelerating the cue with your strength. If you are finding that you have to stroke the ball that hard all the time to get position, then your position play could use some improvement perhaps. The whole point is avoid situations where you have to slam the ball in the first place, no?? I'm not sure that the real issue is that slow cloth requires more power. It's more that slow cloth requires more accuracy through the entire power continuum, and only the best will be able to manage both variables effectively.
 
As king james rempe told me few years back that today's pool is no stroke pool. The skill level indeed has left the game. Very few have power stroke with accuracy on the old cloth. Whole different game despite 4 5/8 inch pockets. For sure a tougher game back in the day! Today there is no stroke put a ball in a 4 or 4 1/25" pocket. Position play is not a issue do to fast speed!
 
RADAR said:
As king james rempe told me few years back that today's pool is no stroke pool. The skill level indeed has left the game. Very few have power stroke with accuracy on the old cloth. Whole different game despite 4 5/8 inch pockets. For sure a tougher game back in the day! Today there is no stroke put a ball in a 4 or 4 1/25" pocket. Position play is not a issue do to fast speed!
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Lol, you dont really believe that do you?

Tell that to any phillipeno player that have come up on humid table's with slow cloth.

Then cross reference that with how many times they have been beat in pro events.

No stroke, gtfo
 
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just ridiculous

I read all of the idiocy about how equipment makes it easier than it used to be to be a good player. lol...just keep telling yourself whatever you need to in order to feel goods about why others seem to be better or more people seem to play better than they did in the "Golden Years" of pool.
 
As time moves on things change, either you move on and adapt with them or you get left behind.

I dont see what the big deal is. If you played well on slow cloth with sewer sized pockets you should be able to play well on fast cloth and tight pockets. If you sucked on fast cloth with sewer sized pockets you probably suck on fast cloth with tight pockets. Are some people just angry because others seemed to get better on fast cloth and they did not?
 
Even Greg, owner of Diamond Tables said Simonis cloth is too fast for 7' tables and asked the president of Simonis if he could make something slower. That was at least 2 years ago...nothing slower yet and probably won't ever happen. Point is the guy that sells it on his new tables knows it's too fast. Johnnyt
 
SJDinPHX said:
Wow, thats pretty impressive Glen.. I must admit I had you under-rated as a player!...Would an old has been, (long retired himself) who is willing to play some one pocket for some serious $$$, be enough reason to bring you out of retirement? :thumbup:

PS..Don't wait too long to decide!....Cuz the grouchy old fart, has one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel! ;)
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WOW! Sounds like somebody needs a nap!
 
couldnthinkof01 said:
Lol, you dont really believe that do you?

Tell that to any phillipeno player that have come up on humid table's with slow cloth.

Then cross reference that with how many times they have been beat in pro events.

No stroke, gtfo
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lol just ask efren, he knows skill to win on that slow cloth! why you think all those top American players were so tough for him to beat. he will tell you about sigel and close follow of others!
 
I don't mind Simonis 860, it's quicker than what I started playing on many moons ago but installed on a Proper Gold Crown plays fine.

Championship is a different animal, like 760 it's a bit like an ice rink. Combine that on the Diamonds super ball rails & it's just ridiculous. For me I'm not as upset with the changes in cloth as I am in changes in rails. Diamond and their rails just aren't what I like. I can appreciate the other changes Diamond made in designing their tables compared to GC's but not the rails, I don't care if their red or blue label, they rebound unnaturally & combined with cloth of today make this a putt game instead of a game that requires a stroke. YMMV.
 
Whats wrong with Pool....cloth?

Cloth has changed conditions and those might have affected higher level play but that sure isn't close to touching what is wrong with Pool. I don't think it killed it if anything it made it easier for some people to play it. Numbers do count!
 
Are there really people out there that think the cloth makes a huge difference in their game? I'm no pro. I'm even under shortstop speed. But I can play on a fast table, and slower tables without any issues. I just pay more attention to my angles. I've never blamed a table for me losing a match. We both had to play on the same surface. I find AZ has become a major whine fest lately.
 
Kind of like the news

Shawn Armstrong said:
Are there really people out there that think the cloth makes a huge difference in their game? I'm no pro. I'm even under shortstop speed. But I can play on a fast table, and slower tables without any issues. I just pay more attention to my angles. I've never blamed a table for me losing a match. We both had to play on the same surface. I find AZ has become a major whine fest lately.
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Yeah its kind of like the news around here. If something awful happens its front page news but it is what it is!
 
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