Amazing how you say that with pride when all it does is show that you have tons to read on here.
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Amazing how you say that with pride when all it does is show that you have tons to read on here.
I've changed my mind. I would very much like all things TOI moved to its own subforum where it'd be easier to avoid such jibber jabber similar to aiming threads.
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I know you're really hoping for a TOI forum so you can contribute to the discussion.
Best,
Mike
LOL! You guys have made it clear that you aren't interested in reality or sanity. Your happy as long as you have some pro to follow every word they say, no matter how silly it may be. Even to the point of making up your own language using known words that have a totally different meaning to the rest of the world. Have at it, enjoy your journey while it lasts.
I was big advocate of TOI for a while and got very consistent with it, but then I started working on other parts of my game and over time, I guess I just either forgot about it or stopped using it.
Just last week my local hall recovered and added poorly-made shims to all the tables. Firm shots down the rail would consistently rattle out if they brushed the side rail on the way in, which was really frustrating.
Then I started adding a little TOI to my shots and the balls started falling with ease, and slightly mis-hit shots would still still get sucked right into the pocket. That, combined with the cue ball floating into position and coming off the rails at perfect angles has got me wondering why I quit using it.
Now, I'm not saying it's the end-all solution to pool, but it is a powerful tool to have and works well when used in the right situations.
Or some might say it's all in my head, but the results do speak for themselves.
Just last week my local hall recovered and added poorly-made shims to all the tables. Firm shots down the rail would consistently rattle out if they brushed the side rail on the way in, which was really frustrating.
Then I started adding a little TOI to my shots and the balls started falling with ease, and slightly mis-hit shots would still still get sucked right into the pocket. That, combined with the cue ball floating into position and coming off the rails at perfect angles has got me wondering why I quit using it.
Now, I'm not saying it's the end-all solution to pool, but it is a powerful tool to have and works well when used in the right situations.
Or some might say it's all in my head, but the results do speak for themselves.
.Vernon Elliot was one of the best and the first one to show me how powerful TOI is
Yes, when you start using TOI correctly the pocket opens up because not only are you utilizing the pocket as a zone (3 Part Pocket System) , you're also putting a "touch" of pocket acceptance {after contact} spin on the object ball.
This is similar to how the great back players using to "hold" their banks and curve them in the pockets using a "touch of inside"......Vernon Elliot was one of the best and the first one to show me how powerful the TOI was when used consistently.
Yes, when you start using TOI correctly the pocket opens up because not only are you utilizing the pocket as a zone (3 Part Pocket System) , you're also putting a "touch" of pocket acceptance {after contact} spin on the object ball.
This is similar to how the great back players using to "hold" their banks and curve them in the pockets using a "touch of inside"......Vernon Elliot was one of the best and the first one to show me how powerful the TOI was when used consistently.
LMAO!!! Post of the Year Award
I know you're really hoping for a TOI forum so you can contribute to the discussion.
Best,
Mike
Amazing how you say that with pride when all it does is show that you have tons to read on here.
What I've learned from you, so far, is that you're one who seems to have to judge people. I really haven't learned much about pool/billiards from you. But, with so much to read, I may have missed it.
What I've learned from you, so far, is that you're one who seems to have to judge people. I really haven't learned much about pool/billiards from you. But, with so much to read, I may have missed it.
I agree. You would think, if one is to judge another, then they would have something to offer to prove their point.
I personally have learned from CJ and he has helped my game immensely. I can honestly say I have learned nothing from Neil except for negativity, which is not an asset to one's game.
What I've learned from you, so far, is that you're one who seems to have to judge people. I really haven't learned much about pool/billiards from you. But, with so much to read, I may have missed it.
I wasn't even talking about me. There is tons of great info on this site. All you have to do is read it.
Funny how you talk about me judging others while you sit there and judge and condemn me. LOL.
Interesting how some people think on here. Anyone that counters the nonsense on here with fact is viewed as negative by some. You are so negative that you can't even see the positive in many posts on here. Oh well, your loss, not mine.
If you ever go to a real instructor, or thoroughly go through Dr. Dave's or Bob Jewett's websites, or get Mark Wilson's book, you might see things differently.
Interesting how some people think on here. Anyone that counters the nonsense on here with fact is viewed as negative by some. You are so negative that you can't even see the positive in many posts on here. Oh well, your loss, not mine.
If you ever go to a real instructor, or thoroughly go through Dr. Dave's or Bob Jewett's websites, or get Mark Wilson's book, you might see things differently.
Yes it is very interesting how one thinks, however, I don't find you interesting at all.
I have Mark Wilson's book and go to Dr. Dave's and others web sites to try and pick up bits of info to further my game. Because I say CJ has helped me, you choose to attack. If you offered up anything positive in relation to the game of pool, then I may have a different opinion of you.
Feel free to slam me for this, however, I won't waste my time on you any more. I am someone interested in the game of pool, not debating.
End of story.
Interesting how some people think on here. Anyone that counters the nonsense on here with fact is viewed as negative by some. You are so negative that you can't even see the positive in many posts on here. Oh well, your loss, not mine.
If you ever go to a real instructor, or thoroughly go through Dr. Dave's or Bob Jewett's websites, or get Mark Wilson's book, you might see things differently.
Interesting how you consider C.J's information "nonsense". I consider C.J. a "real instructor" and I also consider him to be "positive", not "negative". I have Dr. Dave's book and I've read through it many, many times. I also have another book on pool and I have all of Tor's dvd's. I have my own table and shoot nearly every day for several hours either at home or at the Senior Center in town.
I happen to understand the importance of why he insists on being precise with word choice. TOI is sufficiently different in concept and actual practice that it requires specialized definitions to best describe how it is applied.
Whatever your problem is with C.J., I don't have a dog in the race and I continue to learn from his posts.
Even on the sunniest day we all have "shadows" following us around
I'm glad you're benefiting from my teachings.
I have never tried to teach what "Dr. D" or Tor teach because they do an outstanding job without my help.....my only outcome is to share what I've learned as a World Champion player, Acclaimed High Stakes Gambler, Billiard Club Proprietor, and Coach for the USA Professional Pool Team (Mosconi Cup 2013).
My hope is that our efforts combined with others that are doing positive things in the "pool world" will be enough - we want to get the game back on TV and make a great impression on the millions of people that will appreciate the game.
Of course there will always be negativity cast towards my friends and our efforts. Even on the sunniest day we all have "shadows" following us around trying to steal light from our sunshine. 'The Game is Our Teacher'
I'm glad you're benefiting from my teachings.
I have never tried to teach what "Dr. D" or Tor teach because they do an outstanding job without my help.....my only outcome is to share what I've learned as a World Champion player, Acclaimed High Stakes Gambler, Billiard Club Proprietor, and Coach for the USA Professional Pool Team (Mosconi Cup 2013).
My hope is that our efforts combined with others that are doing positive things in the "pool world" will be enough - we want to get the game back on TV and make a great impression on the millions of people that will appreciate the game.
Of course there will always be negativity cast towards my friends and our efforts. Even on the sunniest day we all have "shadows" following us around trying to steal light from our sunshine. 'The Game is Our Teacher'
Mike,
You expressed my sentiments quite well and probably a lot of other posters as well, who just don't like to put themselves on the firing line.
The truth is, adding sub-forums is what is contributing to the demise of the Main Forum, well that and the trolls whose only contribution to the forum is ad hominem attacks on those whom they don't like or ideas that they don't agree with.
It is laughable that the cyber-goons are allowed to run from thread to thread, contributing nothing of value to the forums and only trying to irritate posters.
I'm not saying that about this particular thread. It's a legitimate question but my answer is, "Why waste the value of what TOI and CJ Wiley bring to the table by sending it to some silly sub-forum?" The sub-forum quasi-treatise is merely people's attempt to have their day in the sun.
CJ is apparently a lightning rod for some since he is still one of the best pool players on the planet with tons of knowledge. What I like about CJ is in spite of the needles that he gets, he just sends love, understanding and knowledge back in return? How can that be so bad?
If he did quit posting in this forum, we would only have ourselves to blame. How many pro players have we run off on this forum?
If you don't want to shoot someone with a gun, don't pick a gun up.
If you don't like someone, just put them on ignore and you won't see their posts.
If you don't like a particular thread, just don't open the darn thing.
It's really that simple.
I would post some rather fantastic perspectives about what I have discovered with TOI but the haters would just find another reason to harp.
I will say this, TOI has OTHER positive attributes that are not mentioned in this forum. :welcome:
JoeyA
Haters?? Gee, Joey, that isn't trying to inflame anything while trying to act like you are being nice, is it? No one is "hating" on CJ. Just that many of us get tired of the B.S. that you and others are swallowing hook, line, and sinker. But, go ahead, label everyone that disagrees with you as a hater. It's not a matter of running off the pros, what you guys have done is run off everyone that posts good info in favor of what one pro has to say. You win, you guys are stuck with him. This forum isn't a third of what it used to be. And guys like you inflaming things by knocking what is real in favor of whatever some pro wants to feed you is the cause. Truth is, you guys don't want the truth about playing pool, you only want to suck up to someone. Have at it. As far as CJ only sending love, you are so full of crap I bet your eyes are brown. WOW. He insults people on here more than anyone else ever thought of doing. Guys like you sticking up for his crap is what has made this forum so bad over the last few years, and why there seldom are any good posts anymore. Have a good day.
l it's a HUGE compliment that someone cares so much about what I communicate
Someday someone is going to go back and copy all the posts Neil has made about me and it will be mind boggling.
At some level it's a HUGE compliment that someone cares so much about what I say concerning advanced pool techniques. 'The Game is the Teacher'
TOI gives a pool player POWER - Performance Optimized With Enhanced Results
Someday someone is going to go back and copy all the posts Neil has made about me and it will be mind boggling.
At some level it's a HUGE compliment that someone cares so much about what I say concerning advanced pool techniques. 'The Game is the Teacher'TOI gives a pool player POWER - Performance Optimized With Enhanced Results
Someday someone is going to go back and copy all the posts Neil has made about me and it will be mind boggling.
TOI gives a pool player POWER - Performance Optimized With Enhanced Results
Hopefully they will. Then they will see the truth about your nonsense. It's not a compliment to you at all. I have only cared about helping others on here, with no gain to myself. You don't even care enough to bother to see what others teach, you just mock it, and those that teach it. I've only made a lot of posts about your posts because you are the main one spreading nonsense on here. I care about the truth, and others getting better in the least amount of time possible. I hate it when I see someone telling any old thing that even defies all known laws of science just to try and make themselves relevant and feed their own ego. Ever bother to notice that your TOI is the ONLY method that I have been against on here? Ever bother to wonder just why that is? Ever even bother to actually READ what I have said instead of just dismissing it out of hand? Didn't think so. Go ahead and keep leading everyone down the wrong path just to feed your ego. I won't be bothering to try and help your troll army anymore on here. It's a waste of time.
TOI on the cue ball is no different than "drawing," or "fading" a golf ball
Now you're just being silly.
Putting TOI on the cue ball is no different than "drawing," or "fading" a golf ball and ALL pros do it - this result in no way defies science, physics, or any type of mathematics.
TOI simply cuts the object ball slightly more so we can "aim/align" to the inside of the pocket and target the pocket as a zone.
Now you're just being silly.
Putting TOI on the cue ball is no different than "drawing," or "fading" a golf ball and ALL pros do it - this result in no way defies science, physics, or any type of mathematics.
TOI simply cuts the object ball slightly more so we can "aim/align" to the inside of the pocket and target the pocket as a zone.
Neil,
Are you trying to out insult CJ with your insults to me?
Your kind of insults is what gets people barred from AZ Billiards. :thud::shrug: Don't worry, I won't report you. You've got enough baggage without me dumping on you.Look, I know you and CJ have a "history" and while CJ's motivation on posting in this forum is selling DVD's and online instruction, it doesn't bother me a bit if he doesn't use your pool acumen to express himself. I'm a big boy and if I don't know what he's talking about, I can ask him to explain it another way and I'm sure he will. I might have to buy another DVD but that's not going to kill me either. And if he uses some zen message to express himself, maybe that will hit home to some of us.
I would prefer CJ in the Main Forum, warts and all.
Live and let live Neil. It's the way of the new world order.
JoeyA