TOI's "Margin of Error" Myth Explained

[HawaiianEye]

At this time I use so many different English selections for my shots as I am building my database of perfect shape English use that for now TOI is a bit of a distraction from that.

Having an arsenal of tools to use is a good idea, but if you have the "perfect" angle you don't need "perfect shape English".

TOI is a system that (if used correctly) gives you the angle to use TOI on most shots so that you don't have to dip into your arsenal and use a different weapon every time.

 

[His Boy Elroy]

Elroy I will address you and English's post at the same time.

At this time I use so many different English selections for my shots as I am building my database of perfect shape English use that for now TOI is a bit of a distraction from that.

Perhaps this winter I will have some time to spend on it but I like you have some things about my natural game that are similar to the teachings of CJ. I play a 3 part pocket, I sight most of my shots to one side, the one nearest to me which makes TOI something I don't have any trouble using but so far I don't find I need it on every shot. Just certain shots.

I recognize TOI as.....Holdup English....the inverse spin grabs the rail and slows the cue ball down which is very helpful and I use it for this purpose as well as getting the cue ball to come back off the rail closer to the tangent line going into it.

I play more one pocket these days but last time out we stopped in the middle of our One Hole match to play some 10 ball. I think its important that you switch off of One Pocket to check and see if you still have a normal stroke.

What I found out was that my position getting skills have gotten way better as long as I do and can execute the English that the shot seems to require. That being said I can't imagine every shot on the table where I want the cue ball to run the rails having me put a touch of inside on them. Does that make sense to you? Perhaps it ok not use TOI until its time for it.

If you're using the three part pocket system and you're using many different English selections for your shots, you're doing just fine. Let it evolve. As I said, I used a touch of spin on that first shot, but it was difficult to duplicate consistently. I ended up doing just what you're doing.

Eventually, I came back to that very slight touch of inside, but first I had to get a feel for many different spin selections and a feel for the ensuing deflection. Heck; anytime you put spin on the ball and use the three part pocket system, you're performing T.O.I.

 

[His Boy Elroy]

Robin,
Lemme make a correction on my last post. If you're using the three part pocket system, but sighting your shots to the side closest to you, you're using outside spin, not inside. So I obviously was mistaken in calling it T.O.I.

CJ Wiley has nothing against outside spin per se, and he acknowledges that a few of the finest pro's prefer it to inside spin; but, he uses and teaches inside himself, and has provided his reasons in many posts.

 

[His Boy Elroy]

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[greyghost]

I doubt that he's back. He's probably just passing through.

PS Keeby, I enjoyed the videos that you did back then. You have a very good manner about you.

Thanks man. They werent the fanciest but had some very good quality info....i never had them myself, and marcus lost them in a harddrive crash...so POOF! I do have the 9 ball break one on my facebook though.....oh well im working on starting up an "after school" pool program....most likely on sat 0r sundays.....little ways away, but will be redoing all those videos....would love to have the 2 fundamentals back if you or someone else had actually downloaded it??????

And no i'm not back, just passing through. Way too busy with everything in general to be back on here like in the past......not that its a waste of time by any means because many get wonderful benefit out this place.....you do not need the ghost anymore....but he's always lurking lol

shit i posted so much info during those years my average post per day is still over one....and its been what 3 or 4 years since i was on here everyday writing my arse off...but then again i lurked on here for years before i felt like i had something to say....one pocket.org too been messing with that site since 04, when i met steve booth (guy that started it. case you didn't know) at Gradys Gulf coast event.

This place i wouldn't doubt, along with onepocket.org just maybe the largest single source material of knowledge and application and how it works on any given subject anywhere......thats why i always thought it funny when some noob restarted an dam thread we just got finishing beating to death for probably the 3rd time just weeks before......SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH


best wishes,
Keebie

 

[ENGLISH!]

Thanks man. They werent the fanciest but had some very good quality info....i never had them myself, and marcus lost them in a harddrive crash...so POOF! I do have the 9 ball break one on my facebook though.....oh well im working on starting up an "after school" pool program....most likely on sat 0r sundays.....little ways away, but will be redoing all those videos....would love to have the 2 fundamentals back if you or someone else had actually downloaded it??????

And no i'm not back, just passing through. Way too busy with everything in general to be back on here like in the past......not that its a waste of time by any means because many get wonderful benefit out this place.....you do not need the ghost anymore....but he's always lurking lol

shit i posted so much info during those years my average post per day is still over one....and its been what 3 or 4 years since i was on here everyday writing my arse off...but then again i lurked on here for years before i felt like i had something to say....one pocket.org too been messing with that site since 04, when i met steve booth (guy that started it. case you didn't know) at Gradys Gulf coast event.

This place i wouldn't doubt, along with onepocket.org just maybe the largest single source material of knowledge and application and how it works on any given subject anywhere......thats why i always thought it funny when some noob restarted an dam thread we just got finishing beating to death for probably the 3rd time just weeks before......SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH


best wishes,
Keebie

You should drop in here when ever you can, but much success in all that you're doing.

Best Wishes,
Rick

PS My 28 year old Son just made a a big batch of what was the best jambalaya I've ever eaten for my 2 yr. old Grandson's Birthday Party. I don't know what he did but it was really good AND my daughter-in-law made some of the best red beans & rice. The younger generation learned well.