Too slow felt help.

stolz2

stolz2

Kid Mack
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I'm going to be renting a room with a fellow AZ'er here in San Diego. He has a 9ft table with simonis 860 table was set up by the table mechanic at hard times. Super tight pockets that make you want to cry and break something.

Anyways.. to my questions,

The table plays pretty darn slow with the Simonis 860 we have come up with numerous ideas on what is causing this, he could elaborate better then I.

We might have it re felted with Championship tour edition, but then I started thinking maybe Simonis 760. Any thoughts on of those 2 felts what one is faster? And is Championship faster then 860? No need to ask what billiards game that we primarily play, because the thing just flat out plays slow.

We where playing on it the other night, it's in the living room. And it gets to the point where you cant draw the ball but 3 or 4 feet with a allot of stroke.

Thanks for any info.

-Kid Mack
 
> The only reasons I have ever known Simonis 860 to play slow were if it simply wasn't stretched tight enough by whoever recovered it,OR if the table was in an environment like a pool room where food was being cooked and the cloth was permeated by airborne grease. Tommy D.
 
It could possibly be on up side down. Or just not tight enough.
Justin Nuder
 
If its playing slow, I'd have the table checked out by a table Mechanic.

760 plays faster than 860. And Championship plays basically the same speed as 860.
 
streched

I said maybe it was not stretched enough, but ya it just doesn't play like any other 860 I have ever played on. I will get Playnsets to to reply, being that it is his table. The Humidity of the table can change, but not to severely.

Thanks, Mack
 
I don't know if this has been done already but try giving the table a good cleaning. I like using quick clean aka chalk off, it has worked really well for me. Dust, dirt, chalk, oil from your skin and airbirne grease all acts as a grinding agent that will increase friction and decrease ball roll. Good luck!

If it was the guys from hard times there is no worry. Its been installed correctly, I guarantee it!
 
Poolschool said:
I don't know if this has been done already but try giving the table a good cleaning. I like using quick clean aka chalk off, it has worked really well for me. Dust, dirt, chalk, oil from your skin and airbirne grease all acts as a grinding agent that will increase friction and decrease ball roll. Good luck!

If it was the guys from hard times there is no worry. Its been installed correctly, I guarantee it!
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It was installed correctly there's no question in my mind. It's also stretched to the max. You couldn't make a wrinkle cloth if you tried.

I think it's the humidity of the room personally.. but honestly I dunno, it does play pretty slow. The table is 6.5' from a sliding glass door that literally opens up to a backyard that is grass. I'm thinking the humidity from the yard is what causes it to be slow. Honestly the tour edition is WAAAAYYY faster in my experience then 860. A pool hall locally put it in, and that stuff it like greased lightning compard to oncue.. It's so fast you can't do much more then float the cue ball around becuase if you put any stroke on it your going table lengths. Overall I'm not sure what to do about it just yet, but I'm going to hit up Steve L again and see what he says.

DJ
 
Simonis typically slows down with insufficient cleaning and age.
You might check the finish on the ball set as it might be the ball condition (need a polish?) and not the cloth or possibly a combination of the 2.
 
Dartman said:
Simonis typically slows down with insufficient cleaning and age.
You might check the finish on the ball set as it might be the ball condition (need a polish?) and not the cloth or possibly a combination of the 2.
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I take the balls down to a local pool hall and polish them about once a week. They have a machine that does it, and when it comes out they are shiny as all get out, but also seem to have some sort of very light, but very SLICK film on them. Almost like if you were to armor all the balls or something.. When you first play you can do things with the cueball that are "unnatural" :D , but after about 30 minutes that film is more or less gone. It still plays considerably faster then when they are dirty, but not like normal 860 down at Oncue etc..

DJ
 
Did you play on it when the cloth was new? Has it changed since then?

If it hasn't changed are you sure that it is Simonis?
 
I've heard that you can starch pool cloth with laundry starch to make it play slick and fast again, but I've never tried it. Maybe someone here has tried it, or knows of a reason not to try it. I imagine that even if it works it would only last a little while.
 
TheBook said:
Did you play on it when the cloth was new? Has it changed since then?

If it hasn't changed are you sure that it is Simonis?
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It has slowed down over time for sure.. I keep the table pretty clean via 3 methods.. either a Shop vac, an ultra fine mister and microfiber towels with water, or felt cleaner (most common method).


DJ
 
longhair said:
I've heard that you can starch pool cloth with laundry starch to make it play slick and fast again, but I've never tried it. Maybe someone here has tried it, or knows of a reason not to try it. I imagine that even if it works it would only last a little while.
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I've never heard of this, can anyone confirm that it works and won't screw up the cloth permanently?

DJ
 
What about the cushions? They can go bad. The cloth can't be that slow since its 860. I'd stay away from starch etc, you should check the rails. You can build a simple stempmeter, then check your rails against the pool room's. Or have a mechanic check them out.

Rod
 
Rod said:
I'd stay away from starch etc,

Rod
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Rod,

Can you say something about why to stay away from starch? I'm being curious, not challenging. As I said, I've never tried it. A very old 3C player told me that they used to starch and iron the tables before a tournament (before heated tables), and that it sped them up a lot.
 
stolz2 said:
I'm going to be renting a room with a fellow AZ'er here in San Diego. He has a 9ft table with simonis 860 table was set up by the table mechanic at hard times. Super tight pockets that make you want to cry and break something.

Anyways.. to my questions,

The table plays pretty darn slow with the Simonis 860 we have come up with numerous ideas on what is causing this, he could elaborate better then I.

We might have it re felted with Championship tour edition, but then I started thinking maybe Simonis 760. Any thoughts on of those 2 felts what one is faster? And is Championship faster then 860? No need to ask what billiards game that we primarily play, because the thing just flat out plays slow.

We where playing on it the other night, it's in the living room. And it gets to the point where you cant draw the ball but 3 or 4 feet with a allot of stroke.

Thanks for any info.

-Kid Mack
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I have the same problem with 860 on a brunswick...(Artemus Rails)...The rails are fine, but you MUST have a stroke to play on this table.

The one thing I have in common is that I am also basically in the back yard as the room is an addition to the back of the house....However...I live in AZ and it is supposed by be a dry heat...LOL

This is the second time I have had 860 put on play slow....and it is stretched very tight currently...(I am going with the blue stuff they put on the Diamonds next time)

I would not say I recommend this, but the only thing other than cleaning and polishing that helps is I took a warm iron and ironed the cloth after a vacume...It will speed up the table a bit for a while......(I don't let the iron get overley hot and always keep it moving)...I have never had any problems from doing this...(even with the Beezwax seams)
 
longhair said:
Rod,

Can you say something about why to stay away from starch? I'm being curious, not challenging. As I said, I've never tried it. A very old 3C player told me that they used to starch and iron the tables before a tournament (before heated tables), and that it sped them up a lot.
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I mentioned no starch because its just another added ingredient. That and if you don't how the seams are filled (like beeswax) heat can be a problem melting the wax. As BRKNRUN mentioned though if you keep moving it "may" not be a problem.

We ironed our tables (no starch) once in a while, it helped a little but the rail height was the real problem. I have to wonder what happens to that starch. It won't last all that long, then after a cleaning it has to be re-done. The old 3C player may have played on old napped cloth. I don't know just a guess. I would wait until someone positively knows the effects of starch.

Rod
 
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