Top 20 DRAW SHOTS of All Time … Backspin Mastery

sjm said:
Excellent video.

You note that "no top 20 video would be complete without a shot from Efren". It's equally true that no video on great draw shots is complete without something from the late Larry Nevel, who had a stroke even more powerful than that of Earl Strickland. Of course, finding the footage would be more difficult, but Larry deserves a mention in this thread. RIP, Larry, you're not forgotten.
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One night in Kalamazoo after the US Open 1P, Larry was showing a few of us some draw shots and a few others. WOW, what a stroke. RIP Larry
 
How did Iganacio get that action with seemingly such little effort/force? His he using a significant amount of wrist action that the video does not capture?

Can anybody here duplicate his shot?
 
CanadianGuy said:
How did Iganacio get that action with seemingly such little effort/force? His he using a significant amount of wrist action that the video does not capture?

Can anybody here duplicate his shot?
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That shot can be duplicated. Here are some factors to consider. If it is new cloth, then the cue ball will travel further. If the cue ball is new/clean, it will have more spin. You have to have a loose grip to get that amount of spin. A number of our program shots require that type of cueing. And it isn't all draw moving the cue ball around. The side spin as a lot to do with it. There is a shot in our program called "The Mike Massey Power Draw Shot" that has a similar feel to it. The draw gets the cue to the rail with speed, and then the side spin takes off after.

I would shot this closed bridge but the fact that Ignacio uses an open hand bridge is very impressive.
 
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briankenobi said:
That shot can be duplicated. Here are some factors to consider. If it is new cloth, then the cue ball will travel further. If the cue ball is new/clean, it will have more spin. You have to have a loose grip to get that amount of spin. A number of our program shots require that type of cueing. And it isn't all draw moving the cue ball around. The side spin as a lot to do with it. There is a shot in our program called "The Mike Massey Power Draw Shot" that has a similar feel to it. The draw gets the cue to the rail with speed, and then the side spin takes off after.

I would shot this closed bridge but the fact that Ignacio uses an open hand bridge is very impressive.
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I don't understand how a 'loose grip' can increase the amount of spin. I do believe using the wrist can.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
I don't understand how a 'loose grip' can increase the amount of spin. I do believe using the wrist can.
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I agree.
For some reason a wrist shot seems more like a poke to me which is the opposite of shooting through the ball.
I am getting my best draw stroke when I stay down and am shooting smoothly through the ball.
 
philly said:
I agree.
For some reason a wrist shot seems more like a poke to me which is the opposite of shooting through the ball.
I am getting my best draw stroke when I stay down and am shooting smoothly through the ball.
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To reach maximum draw cue tip position striking the cue ball paramount. The smooth transition from the back to the forward stroke allows the stick to travel in a straight line striking the cue ball at the "Sweet Spot" per say.

I spent most of last week at the 1st Instructors Summit bringing the ACS and PBIA Instructors together to share ideas. We had many workshops and during one of Dr Daves workshops (Wagon Wheel) he showed how to get the maximum draw from a 30° angle, tip position and stroke speed played a huge part in getting maximum draw. Plus you had to get the BOOM BOOM ;)
 
Nice compilation video Dr. Dave. That side view of Melling's stroke is about the best example I can think of for pure, smooth, controlled cue action.
 
SFC9ball said:
To reach maximum draw cue tip position striking the cue ball paramount. The smooth transition from the back to the forward stroke allows the stick to travel in a straight line striking the cue ball at the "Sweet Spot" per say.
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Lots of draw shot technique advice, along with demonstrations of everything people do wrong and right, can be found here:


Concerning the grip and wrist, many (if not most people) get into trouble by tensing up or trying to force a wrist flick. Much better accuracy, consistency, and power come from keeping the grip, wrist, and forearm as relaxed as possible. The wrist flexes on a power shot, but it should do so naturally, without being forced.


SFC9ball said:
I spent most of last week at the 1st Instructors Summit bringing the ACS and PBIA Instructors together to share ideas. We had many workshops and during one of Dr Daves workshops (Wagon Wheel) he showed how to get the maximum draw from a 30° angle, tip position and stroke speed played a huge part in getting maximum draw. Plus you had to get the BOOM BOOM ;)
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Jim, I enjoyed meeting and spending time with you and many others at the Instructors Summit. I already look forward to next year's event.
 
dr_dave said:
Lots of draw shot technique advice, along with demonstrations of everything people do wrong and right, can be found here:


Concerning the grip and wrist, many (if not most people) get into trouble by tensing up or trying to force a wrist flick. Much better accuracy, consistency, and power come from keeping the grip, wrist, and forearm as relaxed as possible. The wrist flexes on a power shot, but it should do so naturally, without being forced.




Jim, I enjoyed meeting and spending time with you and many others at the Instructors Summit. I already look forward to next year's event.
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Nice meeting you as well and look forward to seeing you next year! BTW I got about 1.5 inchs below the diamond on that draw shot we were competing at, it had lots of boom boom in it!
 
dr_dave said:
Concerning the grip and wrist, many (if not most people) get into trouble by tensing up or trying to force a wrist flick. Much better accuracy, consistency, and power come from keeping the grip, wrist, and forearm as relaxed as possible. The wrist flexes on a power shot, but it should do so naturally, without being forced.
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This a great explanation of what I mean when I say loose wrist. Loose wrist would mean relaxed wrist.
 
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