Top 3 Most Marketable US Players (Male)

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TheOne said:
Yep loud and clear, but how does this fit into your comment not so long ago e.g. "Gambling is a disease"? :confused: Or did you not say that either?

Gambling is most definitely a disease, just as drinking alcohol is. You have posted on numerous occasions about your drinking escapades around the world. Are you an alcoholic?

I gamble, and I do not have the disease of gambling.

I know many people who drink alcohol who do not have the disease of alcoholism.

Get it right, Craig, if you want to present a valid argument.

TheOne said:
I feared your original comments were racist in nature, judging by your recent comments I think sadly you've shown this to be the case.

I have no time for racists, you really need to invest in a passport JAM you might get a better perspective of the world.

No, thank you. I'm about as racist as you are an alcoholic. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

JAM
 
JAM said:
Gambling is most definitely a disease, just as drinking alcohol is. You have posted on numerous occasions about your drinking escapades around the world. Are you an alcoholic?

I gamble, and I do not have the disease of gambling.

I know many people who drink alcohol who do not have the disease of alcoholism.

Get it right, Craig, if you want to present a valid argument.



No, thank you. I'm about as racist as you are an alcoholic. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

JAM

Reverse gear!

LOL, I dont smoke thanks, and I have no time for racists ;)
 
TheOne said:
Reverse gear!

LOL, I dont smoke thanks, and I have no time for racists ;)

And I have no time for a Brit who condemns my American champion, Earl Strickland, as a cheat. How dare you! The more and more you write, the more and more I think Earl was -- how do you say it? -- "spot on" with what he said about London.

Maybe you need to take a puff or two to see the reality of the state of pool here in America.

As far as me being a racist, those who know me well would crack up at hearing this comment. I would elaborate, but I will not do so on this public forum.

JAM
 
JAM said:
And I have no time for a Brit who condemns my American champion, Earl Strickland, as a cheat. How dare you! The more and more you write, the more and more I think Earl was -- how do you say it? -- "spot on" with what he said about London.

Maybe you need to take a puff or two to see the reality of the state of pool here in America.

As far as me being a racist, those who know me well would crack up at hearing this comment. I would elaborate, but I will not do so on this public forum.

JAM

  • You just indirected quoted Earl who said "London Sucks" insulting a whole city (its not a country btw ;)).
  • You call all Asian and European pool players "emotionless robotic aliens".
  • You say you would never criticise an American (even if it was for the good of the sport?)
  • For some reson you bring up historical wars between the UK and the US despite earlier claiming we are allies lol :p
  • You blame the world governing bodies for American Pools difficulties and not the American body responsible for such matters.
  • You blame European and Asian players for the lack of TV coverage of American events!
  • You previously slated ALL gamblers as diseased and now claim hustling and gambling as the way forward?

I think you've shown your true colors, I'll leave it at that.
 
TheOne said:
  • You just indirected quoted Earl who said "London Sucks" insulting a whole city (its not a country btw ;)).


  • Well, if Earl was confronted with what I am being confronted with on this thread, yes, I agree with Earl's outcry. Fortunately, I am only dealing with one Brit at the moment. Earl Strickland had to contend with a whole audience of foreign hecklers when he made his comment.

    TheOne said:
    [*]You call all Asian and European pool players "emotionless robotic aliens".

    Here we go again. I never said ALL Asian and European pool players are "emotinoless robotic aliens." I did state that I do not enjoy seeing the European style of play.

    TheOne said:
    [*]You say you would never criticise an American (even if it was for the good of the sport?)

    What I said was that I would not criticize an American pool player when there are so many others in the American pool culture who do so on a frequent basis. Again, you have taken my words out of context.

    TheOne said:
    [*]For some reson you bring up historical wars between the UK and the US despite earlier claiming we are allies lol :p

    What I stated was that I now understand why Americans felt a need for a tea party in Boston, as evidenced by your continual mischaracterization of what I have written on this thread.

    TheOne said:
    [*]You blame the world governing bodies for American Pools difficulties and not the American body responsible for such matters.
    No, I did not blame the world governing bodies for American pool difficulties. I stated that the WPA came to America with their hand out wanting to be greased, when they have not had a great presence here on American soil.
    TheOne said:
    [*]You blame European and Asian players for the lack of TV coverage of American events!

    No. I blame robotic emotionless players for providing a performance which does not seem to lure in mainstream America on TV. Again, you take my words out of context, a continuing theme in all of your recent posts.

    TheOne said:
    [*]You previously slated ALL gamblers as diseased and now claim hustling and gambling as the way forward?

    Again, you have taken words out of context, and I vehemently disagree with you stating that I have "slated ALL gamblers as diseased."

    As far as hustling and gambling as the way forward, yes, within limits, I think this is American pool and what people seem to enjoy, unlike the emotionless robotic style of play.

    TheOne said:
    I think you've shown your true colors, I'll leave it at that.

    My true colors are Red, White, and Blue. Coming from a Brit, your continual mischaracterization and misquoting of my posts as an American pool enthusiast are offensive, and though I can leave it at that, I'm sure you will have a forthcoming response to what I have just written.

    JAM
 
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JAM said:
Well, if Earl was confronted with what I am being confronted with on this thread, yes, I agree with Earl's outcry. Fortunately, I am only dealing with one Brit at the moment. Earl Strickland had to contend with a whole audience of foreign hecklers when he made his comment.



Here we go again. I never said ALL Asian and European pool players are "emotinoless robotic aliens." I did state that I do not enjoy seeing the European style of play.



What I said was that I would not criticize an American pool player when there are so many others in the American pool culture who do so on a frequent basis. Again, you have taken my words out of context.



What I stated was that I now understand why Americans felt a need for a tea party in Boston, as evidenced by your continual mischaracterization of what I have written on this thread.


No, I did not blame the world governing bodies for American pool difficulties. I stated that the WPA came to America with their hand out wanting to be greased, when they have not had a great presence here on American soil.


No. I blame robotic emotionless players for providing a performance which does not seem to lure in mainstream America on TV. Again, you take my words out of context, a continuing theme in all of your recent posts.



Again, you have taken words out of context, and I vehemently disagree with you stating that I have "slated ALL gamblers as diseased."

As far as hustling and gambling as the way forward, yes, within limits, I think this is American pool and what people seem to enjoy, unlike the emotionless robotic style of play.



My true colors are Red, White, and Blue. Coming from a Brit, your continual mischaracterization and misquoting of my posts as an American pool enthusiast are offensive, and though I can leave it at that, I'm sure you will have a forthcoming response to what I have just written.

JAM

I think its way past time we agreed to disagree. We have clearly different opinions of how a professionals should behave and how pool should be successfully marketed.

One thing I promise you though, if you ever see me cheat you are welcome to call me a cheat, i'll deserve it. If I ever see the queen cheat, Brit or no Brit I'll calll her a cheat also. ;)
 
I would pick John Schmidt, Tony Robles and Thorsten..

I did pick 3 from the list but those above seem to handle themselves in a very admirable manner. JMHO
 
The emotional versus unemotional debate is one of personal preference. I dont really think it has anything to do with marketability.

I once didn't get a job because after the interview I was told that I didn't show enough emotion & enthusiasm. It got me thinking and I created a list in my mind of greats that were robotic or emotionless. Many are considered the greatest ever in their field or profession.

Frank Sinatra, George Strait, John Lennon, Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Albert Pujols, Orel Hershiser, Lee Smith, Gerald Ford---this is a short list.

Again, the problem most American pool players will have with marketability is their background & history. Competitors could do a little research & do plenty of damage.
 
Whew, it's really difficult catching up with the action going on around here. It seems to me that TheOne's brit ego got hurt especially with regards to the robotic comments made in previous posts. let's not be quick to react, for initial reactions tend to be caused by feeling rather than thinking and simply clouds the mind. reasons tend to be overwhelmed and therefore useless arguments are created over and over again. TheOne, don't be easily be diverted or misled by the word robotic and dont make such a big deal out of it. nobody wants to enter into a useless argument unless you are leading it towards it. I know you don't wanted the Europeans to be branded as robots ( but that is to say the least, the description of their playing attitude at most times ), hence dont be offended since that is only an honest observation. otherwise, people would say they are exciting if they are really that exciting, right? being a brit/european, it is normal to be patriotic, but to deny the reality is just plain nuthugging. I for one, have nothing against european players. I love the like of the talkative and friendly gentleman Steve Davis whom I believe can make a great impact in promoting pool (snooker and 9-ball) in the U.K. and probably a promotion in the U.S. (9-ball) because of his commentary skills and as long as he comes to the U.S. and win some events. Another character is Tony Drago, whom tends to be funny at times. And the Kaisser, for showing his emotions during the WPC last year that really elevated his status to the public. Aside from the three, I'm having a difficulty on looking for other marketable european players. I don't think Niels, Ortmann, Immonen, Van den Berg, Lely, Chamat, et.al have that certain bankability and appeal to the media and the public as those three have. You see, certain characteristics and personalities are shown inorder to be noticed and become marketable. and that cant be done by being a robot. the dilemma of the U.S. is not that quite far in comparison with Europe, that is why some sponsored tourneys held in europe invite well-known american players and Asian players to participate those events for marketing purposes.

I agree with you on the part of professionalism, but not to the extent that would make players appear like corpses. besides, who in the world would like to watch a bunch of corpses playing ? would that promote a great deal about pool? The Asian pro-tour was a success because of it's personality pool players. a display of not only skill, but also character. I think otherwise that it won't be a success if not for these personalities in the first place. The Asian Tour has grown wide thanks to these pool icons because new talents and characters are discovered because of them. this is what marketing is all about, the promotion and continuation of pool.

So the thing is, America needs new personalities to promote pool. And I hope the will be a next Earl Strickland that would entertain us ! And lot us not worry too much about his antics. there is a department body that takes care of it. Leave it to them. about kids following his example and people seeing his antics is the least of our worries, hell there are even worse things that can be seen in boxing, basketball, tennis, football, etc... so Earl is no bigga deal in comparison to these events. Remember, we are watching action/drama and not a funeral ! :D
 
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Hail Mary Shot said:
Whew, it's really difficult catching up with the action going on around here. It seems to me that TheOne's brit ego got hurt especially with regards to the robotic comments made in previous posts. let's not be quick to react, for initial reactions tend to be caused by feeling rather than thinking and simply clouds the mind. reasons tend to be overwhelmed and therefore useless arguments are created over and over again. TheOne, don't be easily be diverted or misled by the word robotic and dont make such a big deal out of it. nobody wants to enter into a useless argument unless you are leading it towards it. I know you don't wanted the Europeans to be branded as robots ( but that is to say the least, the description of their playing attitude at most times ), hence dont be offended since that is only an honest observation. otherwise, people would say they are exciting if they are really that exciting, right? being a brit/european, it is normal to be patriotic, but to deny the reality is just plain nuthugging. I for one, have nothing against european players. I love the like of the talkative and friendly gentleman Steve Davis whom I believe can make a great impact in promoting pool (snooker and 9-ball) in the U.K. and probably a promotion in the U.S. (9-ball) because of his commentary skills and as long as he comes to the U.S. and win some events. Another character is Tony Drago, whom tends to be funny at times. And the Kaisser, for showing his emotions during the WPC last year that really elevated his status to the public. Aside from the three, I'm having a difficulty on looking for other marketable european players. I don't think Niels, Ortmann, Immonen, Van den Berg, Lely, Chamat, et.al have that certain bankability and appeal to the media and the public as those three have. You see, certain characteristics and personalities are shown inorder to be noticed and become marketable. and that cant be done by being a robot. the dilemma of the U.S. is not that quite far in comparison with Europe, that is why some sponsored tourneys held in europe invite well-known american players and Asian players to participate those events for marketing purposes.

I agree with you on the part of professionalism, but not to the extent that would make players appear like corpses. besides, who in the world would like to watch a bunch of corpses playing ? would that promote a great deal about pool? The Asian pro-tour was a success because of it's personality pool players. a display of not only skill, but also character. I think otherwise that it won't be a success if not for these personalities in the first place. The Asian Tour has grown wide thanks to these pool icons because new talents and characters are discovered because of them. this is what marketing is all about, the promotion and continuation of pool.

So the thing is, America needs new personalities to promote pool. And I hope the will be a next Earl Strickland that would entertain us ! And lot us not worry too much about his antics. there is a department body that takes care of it. Leave it to them. about kids following his example and people seeing his antics is the least of our worries, hell there are even worse things that can be seen in boxing, basketball, tennis, football, etc... so Earl is no bigga deal in comparison to these events. Remember, we are watching drama and not a funeral ! :D

Hi, lots to catch up I know but you seemed to have missed the crux of my argument. I don't deny there are boring robotic European players, I wouldn't be so foolish because there are. Would I took exception to was the blanket statement that implied they all are and the refusal to accept that some American players have to also share the responsibility.

- If I was to word a similar sentence it would be as joey put it, ALL PLAYERS have to share the responisbility regardless of race.

- The second part to my argument is that pool has more than enough characters and doesn't need to be a freak show in order to sell itself.

- Plus there are of course limits and lines that all players shouldn't cross.

I stand by all these points and I think there is more than enough evidence to strongly support all three. The Asian tour, the American womens tour and world Snooker IMO prove that SOME of Earls antics are not neccessary in order to succeed. Historical TV ratings have proven time and again that even emotionless, some would say dull players can STILL attract massive viewing figures and sponsorship.
 
JAM said:
Billiard Congress of America. What does the name mean? What is it a congress of? It represents the interests of industry members and not the interests of American billiard players.

JAM

That's the big problem. BCA should start to consolidate all the acronym orgs in America. It should stop this billiards expo thing, leave it to the industry. They should instead concentrate on bringing one of the WPA well-known events to the US soil. It should try putting pool faces on TV ads.

No, WPA WON'T be able to dictate BCA anyways, so most of the responsibilities lie on BCA's shoulder.


I'm campaigning for Earl by the way.
 
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I see what you mean TheOne. So let's just say that you don't like Earl. and that's fine and you are entitled to your opinion. there are those who like to watch a funeral and there are also those who like to watch a freak show. it's just a matter of genre preferences to say the least. of what works or what entertains the other. If the freak show isn't that entertaining, people can always change the channel whenever they want and vice-versa. or they can ask for more funeral shows and freak shows for their appetite. Ultimately, the sponsors decide what and whom they like, and which most often times than not, are the leading men rather than the zombies. Don't worry, Earl is not a leading man nor can be categorized as a zombie, he's the frankenstein monster (unique in an odd way) :D !!!
 
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I watched part of the Daytona 500 this weekend. It is a well known fact that most people watch NASCAR not to watch cars run around in a circle. It's simply for the excitement for the wrecks.

Earl is a great player but why does he attract the crowds he does?

Real simple, the majority of spectators are waiting for the WRECK!
 
JAM said:
Yes, I know, by way of Canada.



I did not blame the European robots for the demise of American pool. Try not to take words out of context, Craig.

I did state, however, that their style of play on American television sets is boring, emotionless, and robotic. If they play here in America, they are, in essence, contributing to American pool when it is televised on American TV.



Let's get the story right. It was the WPA who approached "your" flamboyant American conman, DEMANDING a fee for the privilege of "your" flamboyant American conman to invest tens of millions of dollars in American pool. The WPA seems to show up on American soil if they can pocket some American dough.



Again, you are taking words out of context, and I hasten to say this thread is becoming a back-and-forth colloquy between your view and my view. Where, Craig, did I say a player cheating is more marketable than a player acting professionally?



And your point?

I have no fantasy that it is only Europeans and Asians. I singled them out because these European and Asian players have flocked to the United States in the droves, looking to pocket some American pool monies. The Korean ladies seemed to like American pool because, quite frankly, there was a time when Korea tournaments for women didn't pay very well.



Where in the world, Craig, have you gotten this cheating agenda? I don't recall mentioning pool players cheating.



Now you're fishing. I have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER condoned cheating. Yet, you now bring it up in this thread. WTF!

JAM

JAM,

Living with one of most colorful players that has ever walked the planet, I am suprised you don't see the entire world as dull and robotic compared to him. LOL

Keith, to say the least, is a CHARACTER and one of the good guys!
 
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JoeyA said:
ALL PLAYERS NEED TO contribute to promoting pool here in America AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
JoeyA

player: why?
response: ultimately, it's better for pool.
player: what's in it for me?
response: what's better for pool will be better for the player. it will be a gradual process that builds trust, institutionalize the game, making it part of mainstream america which will in turn lead to major sponsors and the players will reap from the sponsors' largess.
player: can i get my money NOW?
 
bruin70 said:
player: why?
response: ultimately, it's better for pool.
player: what's in it for me?
response: what's better for pool will be better for the player. it will be a gradual process that builds trust, institutionalize the game, making it part of mainstream america which will in turn lead to major sponsors and the players will reap from the sponsors' largess.
player: can i get my money NOW?

Promoter: Sure, no problem but you have to get in line behind those other hundred or so players who are waiting for me to pay them their winnings from that last big tournament I had in 2006.
JoeyA
 
Stones said:
I watched part of the Daytona 500 this weekend. It is a well known fact that most people watch NASCAR not to watch cars run around in a circle. It's simply for the excitement for the wrecks.

Earl is a great player but why does he attract the crowds he does?

Real simple, the majority of spectators are waiting for the WRECK!
people who watch nascar watch it because they understand it , if all you see are " cars going around in circles" , then you dont understand it... it's the same thing with basketball , pool , or chess ... pool needs announcers who understand pool , then people might actually find it interesting ...
 
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