Top english change to draw after bounces of bottom rail
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgKN0a0OUkQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL811151E77F38283A
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c/o Dr. Dave :bow-down:
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c/o Dr. Dave :bow-down:
Thanks bud, for the effort, it does not have what i am looking for.
the cue ball doesnt change from follow to draw
what happens is with force follow the follow persist making the cue ball go back into the rail
an easy example for the principle is a common trick shot
set up a ball hanging in each corner pocket on each enfd of the short rail
shoot the ball on the left half ball hit with force follow and maybe alittl right english
the cue ball will bounce off the rail and come back into the rail several times as it goes along the rail to make the other cue ball
I know, english stays the same, but because of the CB direction change the follow becomes draw looking at it from the bouncing rail direction. I saw the shot 20 years ago on a VCR tap it draws back about a diamond after it hits OB, i think accue stats tape but cannot find it, or do the shot myself.
I think you are referring to "rail dribble" shots. Several videos demonstrating this effect can be found here:
Enjoy,
Dave
Yes, not the first video posted, but Dr. Dave's "rail dribble" videos do include what snooker players call the "banana shot." It was one of the first trick shots I learned (from Mosconi's book) and it's not very hard if you just hit the object ball pretty full. You don't even need a good stroke if you start back 6 diamonds as the table will provide the follow.
The opposite shot is also possible, where you use draw to make the cue ball curve back towards you after a cushion, with or without an object ball.
I don't think you can get the cue ball to retain that much spin after hitting the rail unless you "juice" it (coat it with wax or silicone). You might get a smaller amount of retained spin with a normal cue ball on new Simonis cloth - you probably can't get more than a stop shot with normal ball/cloth conditions.
pj
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Top english has the same spin as draw from the other end of the table.
In other words if you shoot from the head string with force follow to
the foot rail, when the cue ball comes off the foot rail it will still have
follow from where your standing. However if you had someone standing
at the foot rail end of the table it would appear that as the cue ball came
off the foot rail that it had draw.
a question:
the english get lost or it maintains until the cb rolls?
example:
i shoot a shot with right spin, the english remains until the cb doesn't stop, or the english get lost after some distance and the cb will only have natural roll? I'm wondering if the right/left english works like follow or draw..
the english get lost or it maintains until the cb rolls?
example:
i shoot a shot with right spin, the english remains until the cb doesn't stop, or the english get lost after some distance and the cb will only have natural roll? I'm wondering if the right/left english works like follow or draw..
Thanks to all, i know the "rail dribble", my question is kick shot hitting with extreme top spin to bottom rail to kick an OB say a diamond off rail straight, CB will drawback to rail, i saw the shot but cannot find it, i need to prove to some one that it can happen..Thanks
One can do it. I know. I've done. Sometimes by accident when I've mis-judged the hit or misshit the OB a little fuller than I planed.
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It depends on the stroke, slow, medium, or hard. Place an OB at the middle of the table & then place a striped ball as the cue ball to shoot the shot straight into the corner pocket from near the rail. Now aim it straight but use middle right or left english & hit hard & notice the spin. Then do the same thing & hit it soft & notice the difference in 'spin'. Ther are a few variables that will decide if the cue ball retains the spin or loses it & when it loses it.
It is definely harder to do it when kicking a long rail shot but it can be done. I've done it with no real intent to do it & I've seen it done, again with no real intent to do it. You have to shoot hard obviously & hit the object ball just right for it to happen. I think it happens more often as double cross when one is trying to go back the other end opposite the kick object ball. Good Luck finding a video. I would suggest you shoot the shot many times & it may happen. it's very difficult to hit ti just right after hit a rail first. Good Luck.
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Banks
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From the perspective of the CB to OB, try using a little bit of outside on the kick shot. I think the outside should help counter the angle change on the CB, resulting in more pure 'draw' going in to the hit on the OB. Not sure, but sounds like what I'd try if at the table..
