Top Level Snooker vs Pool?

Double-Dave said:
Learning to pot balls and play decent safetys
in snooker if you allready shoot as straight as Shane does, is. gr. Dave
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you should tell this to all the other pro's Ronnie just blitzed lololololololo
Q: do you smoke a lot of weed? I'm trying to understand the delusions
 
Did you miss the part???

Slasher said:
Actually simply based on facts and statistics ex low level pro snooker players (failed lol) have won world championship pool events and no pool player has ever won a snooker event (or qualified lol)

PS QH is a qualified nutbar.
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Did you miss the part where I described a reason why that might be???

One, no American WANTS to move to England...So no one is going to move there like Euros move to the States to compete at pool.

Two, there is competition at pool and pool tables in Europe for people wanting to transition from snooker to pool.

You want to know WHY the transition from snooker to pool has happened and the opposite hasn't??? That's why.

IT sure as shit isn't because Americans aren't talented enough or that you HAVE to start at a super young age.

EVERY sport has had people that started later succeed.

Jaden
 
pdcue said:
I am a big fan of search... but, I doubt any amount of searching will
recall that in the match between Miz and Steve Davis - Mizerack won a
frame in very impressive fashion. This in an extremely short 2-out-of-3
frames match. This event took place when Davis was at his peak '89-ish(?).

Granted, the promoters stacked it to favor Miz - 9 Ball, Straight Pool,
and Snooker. Davis also did well in the 14.1, but not well enough.

BTW - to think the top Pool players have only a SLIGHT edge in Pool is
well off the mark.

Dale
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This was back in the days that you could actually find a snooker table in a pool hall and play the game in the U.S.A.

90% of todays American players can't even spell snooker, much less play it. I'm not sure if there is even a snooker table left in Hawaii. If there is one, it is well hidden.
 
We can't win....the european snooker players are too good for us pool players....thats why Ronnie has not been back on the Mosconi Cup since 1997. He is too good for pool.
 
Jaden said:
IF snooker started surging in popularity in America like pool did in Europe, you would see competitive American players, including some conversions of top pros.
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Come on, you barely have competitive pool players ;).
 
snooker vs 8ball who really cares? i'd be much more interested to see what ronnie and other top ranked snooker pros could do playing straight pool, if u want to get an idea of how 8ball would go just look into ronnies ipt matches even though i doubt he took it very seriously
 
Double-Dave said:
I just keep on fearing that people think this is what I and a few others in this thread are argumenting and it
just isn't, we pretty much all agree they cannot.

The discussion is, can Ronnie beat Shane in a long race of 8-Ball or can Shane beat Ronnie in a long race
of snooker. The chance of either happening is very slim at best, but it is still my belief that Shane will beat
Ronnie before Ronnie beats Shane.

I have given quite a few reasonable arguments as to why I think that and pretty much the only counter
arguments have been alon the lines of, you're crazy, Ronnie (pro snooker players in general) is god, snooker
is just way too tough for these silly american pool players and their bad technique.

Ronnie cannot break worth a damn and will not learn to do this any time soon because it is just damn
hard to break the balls really good. He might be able to pot any and every ball he sees but he will break
dry or scratch on the break so much more often then Shane it will be a walk in the park. Shane will
simply never lose a long race, it is just not going to happen. Jumping, massé, kicking balls in and all that
other stuff alone make it impossible for Ronnie to win, the break just makes it completely so.

These are not skills learned over a few weeks or months. Learning to pot balls and play decent safetys
in snooker if you allready shoot as straight as Shane does, is.

gr. Dave
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Do you think it's impossible for Ronnie to come up with a good enough break within a few months? I don't. Potts probably has less of a break than Ronnie and he figured the chinese 8 ball break out better than anyone. SVB won't be offering to play him at that game any time soon, I can assure you of that.

This really comes down to what you perceive as the most valuable weapon to have - power or precision. I say power can only take you so far - sooner or later, the precision ingrained in English pool/snooker players will eventually make up for any deficiency in power. They will figure out a way to break that will be good enough to be competitive in time.

It's evolutionary.
 
Jaden said:
Did you miss the part where I described a reason why that might be???

One, no American WANTS to move to England...So no one is going to move there like Euros move to the States to compete at pool.

Two, there is competition at pool and pool tables in Europe for people wanting to transition from snooker to pool.

You want to know WHY the transition from snooker to pool has happened and the opposite hasn't??? That's why.

IT sure as shit isn't because Americans aren't talented enough or that you HAVE to start at a super young age.

EVERY sport has had people that started later succeed.

Jaden
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Peach and Drago never lived in the US.
Davis when he was playing in the world events had barely even seen an American table back then, there were none in the UK and he certainly did not travel the US learning the finer points of thh game Just like all the early UK based Mosconi team members they were complete rookies, memory serves me right didn't he beat Reyes in the WPC and finish quite high?

There are no Pro snooker players that started in their 20's or even late teens and the current style of mechanics all the American players have would not cut it, it would take a monumental effort for an establish pool player to change and be competitive at the amateur level.

Fact is the Snooker players have developed superior mechanics out of necessity, longer distance tighter pockets, etc and it translates well to pocketing balls on a pool table thats what gets them through, the pool players on the other hand will struggle with accuracy of safety and pocketing long balls, these are the things that get you in and the reason why players like Ronnie are so tough for anyone, even the current number 1-2-3 in the world.
He will trap you you will error and he will win frame after frame after frame.
 
Johnson said:
snooker vs 8ball who really cares? i'd be much more interested to see what ronnie and other top ranked snooker pros could do playing straight pool, if u want to get an idea of how 8ball would go just look into ronnies ipt matches even though i doubt he took it very seriously
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Straight pool would be embarrassing for pool players.
 
Johnson said:
snooker vs 8ball who really cares? i'd be much more interested to see what ronnie and other top ranked snooker pros could do playing straight pool, if u want to get an idea of how 8ball would go just look into ronnies ipt matches even though i doubt he took it very seriously
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Judging by what another ex low ranked pro did at the DCC last year and made the 10ft look like a bar box I don't think Harriman and Eberle want to see this happening anytime soon.
 
Double-Dave said:
The discussion is, can Ronnie beat Shane in a long race of 8-Ball or can Shane beat Ronnie in a long race
of snooker. The chance of either happening is very slim at best, but it is still my belief that Shane will beat
Ronnie before Ronnie beats Shane
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This is all hypothetical and opinion, of course. Here is mine. I could not disagree more.

Even if Ronnie played his worst snooker, SVB would have zero chance of winning a long race. None. Zilch. Nada. Conversely, if SVB had an off day, Ronnie is completely capable of winning at the 8-ball. By no means the favorite, but it's possible.

I would even say that's still true if you gave SVB a month of practice on the snooker table, versus a couple days on the pool table for Ronnie.

In the last couple years, against Earl on TAR, "Bigfoot" etc. Shane has played on the 5x10. He does admirably well, but you can see the extra difficulty, the effects of having to stretch on more shots, and poor play with a bridge. Make it a 6x12 with even more difficult snooker cut pockets and what do you expect? Bloodbath.

Most recent example was Corey Deuel getting slaughtered by unknowns in a low level tournament. Every other attempt before him has gone similarly.

By the way, I've seen Slasher play Snooker as well as pool and he can back up what he says on both tables quite handily.
 
eddie0776 said:
We can't win....the european snooker players are too good for us pool players....thats why Ronnie has not been back on the Mosconi Cup since 1997. He is too good for pool.
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And was only there on an invite those years because he was a cab ride away from the venue. I watched it live in 96
 
Johnson said:
snooker vs 8ball who really cares? i'd be much more interested to see what ronnie and other top ranked snooker pros could do playing straight pool, if u want to get an idea of how 8ball would go just look into ronnies ipt matches even though i doubt he took it very seriously
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Stuart Pettman ex journey man snooker pro, 11 years as a pro highest ranking 35.

First time playing straight pool makes a video recorded world record break
of 117 on a 10ft diamond table.

Run starts 1:08.33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQSmvfbHWg

Yes we are aware of Cranes 309 but was not taped.
 
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Several times during this thread someone has pointed out the fact that snooker has way more money than pool. So, i googled "highest snooker earnings 2013" ... and got the following link:

http://www.therichest.com/sports/other-sports/top-10-highest-earning-snooker-players-in-2013-14/

Based upon the above, for the 2013-2014 season, the top 10 earners in snooker earned between $164k and $560k

And according to AZB, in 2013, the top 10 earners in pool earned from: $62k to $153k

It looks like there's about 3-4x as much money in snooker than pool. And while that's clearly a significant difference, based upon some of the comments on this thread, I was expecting to see snooker players making F1 money! And, when you take into consideration the current state of pool, the gap between pool and snooker earnings is a bit underwhelming.

Am I missing something? massive endorsements? other sources of revenue? off-tour events?
 
money list

http://www.worldsnooker.com/staticFiles/b7/c0/0,,13165~180407,00.pdf

top 16 for 2013/14
X 1.67 for USD

Ding Junhui
£598,171
Neil Robertson
£580,248
Mark Selby
£424,089
Ronnie O'Sullivan
£375,616
Judd Trump
£347,822
Barry Hawkins
£333,699
Marco Fu
£279,373
Ricky Walden
£257,860
Mark Allen
£255,118
John Higgins MBE
£248,459
Stuart Bingham
£248,081
Shaun Murphy
£243,405
Stephen Maguire
£202,976
Allister Carter
£178,625
Mark Davis
£172,963
Joe Perry
£169,065

This list shows the prize money earned by Tour players during the 2012-2013 season in those tournaments which determine the prize money based rankings list, as well as prize money earned by Tour Players in the 2013-2014 season so far. Those players who joined the Tour at the start of the 2013-2014 season started this season on zero pounds.
Still a few more events left in this season including the big one WSC
 
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