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8pack said:
You say you recommend follow on the shot.What part of the cueball are you going to strike to get it.,,,,,,,,Pretend the cb is a clock,,,,,,,,.
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Sorry, but I won't pretend that the cue ball is a clock.

Due to differences in mechanics - alignment - and stroke - cloth speed and rail speed - the exact point of contact will vary from player to player and from table to table. I could tell you 12:00 - but with some players it would be HIGH 12:00 - some players/cloth MID 12:00, etc etc. The results would be as different as some of the responses so far in this thread.

I said the shot in my book was "similar" to the shot diagrammed and in the video - not "exact". I "recommend" using follow, but you can also perform the shot the same way you did in the video... however... on newer cloth most players will end up on top of the 8 ball every time. Just something to think about.

FWIW, Neil hit the nail right on the head in post #2 -

Shots like that come up in rotation cames fairly often. It's a very good shot to know. Surprisingly, I really can't recall anyone other than an A player even attempting it. Once you shoot it a few times, it's not difficult at all. Just takes a smooth stroke, not hard, but a lot of spin. The spin is what brings you up table, not the follow so much. The follow gets you to the first rail.
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It's great if you can manipulate the cue ball in ways that advanced players can - but beginners need to first master the easiest way possible, and as they progress, they can work other shots into their repertoire. Until then, I will always recommend that beginner & novice players utilize follow to keep the cue ball out of the pocket on this shot.
 
Neil said:
The point I'm trying to make, is that you only have 3 choices, draw, follow, and stop or stun. If the cb follows, due to whatever reason, you followed the ob. Period. That is why I said you have to follow the ob on this shot. If you don't, you will either scratch, or hit below the side pocket. I'm not trying to argue on how you get the follow, or the different paths with different ways to follow. I am just saying that you have to follow it.
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FYI, here's a related video demonstration:


A low-inside drag-follow shot actually helps achieve the best action. The drag action slows the CB, as the bottom spin converts to roll, and very little English is lost during the drag. This increases the effect of the English off the rail.

FYI, here's a related video for similar draw shots:


Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, here's a related video demonstration:


A low-inside drag-follow shot actually helps achieve the best action. The drag action slows the CB, as the bottom spin converts to roll, and very little English is lost during the drag. This increases the effect of the English off the rail.

FYI, here's a related video for similar draw shots:


Regards,
Dave
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Thanks Dr Dave,,,,
 
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That shot on that table looks pretty hard to play position on that side because you have only a few angles until the shot becomes low percentage. Players that cut balls well will play it in the side and come around table for another cut on the last shot. On a table with legit pockets and good felt I see the better players come off the side rail for a cut to the left corner. As far as following the ball for short side position, its a very advance hit. I can't do it so I usually stop the ball for a bank.
 
Neil said:
Shots like that come up in rotation cames fairly often. It's a very good shot to know. Surprisingly, I really can't recall anyone other than an A player even attempting it.:confused: Once you shoot it a few times, it's not difficult at all. Just takes a smooth stroke, not hard, but a lot of spin. The spin is what brings you up table, not the follow so much. The follow gets you to the first rail.
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i'm no "a" player and i've shot that before
 
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