Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

And we know tournaments are the only thing that matter to you - a guy could beat everybody in the world gambling and you still wouldn't respect them because they don't play tournaments. I think they both matter
Name one guy that has ever done that or is currently doing that.
 
Ummm, the guy i responded to. You seem to have a lot of comprehension issues
I meant name one player who is going around beating everyone in the world gambling but doesn't play tournaments. My comprehension is fine. I'm sorry I don't spend all day in NPR.
 
even in the past almost all the very top players after gambling all over and having little action now as they get known would switch to tournaments.

and sjm is right that now tournaments pay more, and with little gambling at pool they really have no choice. so thats where you see them.

and the same time that situation is leading the way for the downfall of pool in the u.s.
 
Name one guy that has ever done that or is currently doing that.
Jason is right, pool's lore is filled with players who stuck to the action room and were good enough to threaten even the most elite.

It is possible they still exist, but for the most part, that type of player is almost extinct today and desirable action is harder to come by because of the internet and Fargo. Buddy Hall of the late 1970s qualified, as did CJ Wiley of the early 1990s, but once they were no longer getting the desired amount of action, they moved on to tournament play. Strickland was an action player who was a little under the radar in 1980 but was well known by 1981, by which time everyone knew he could keep up with 1980 World Champion Sigel.
 
Actually, no. At Derby City, over the years, I have watched a couple of top-five-ranked players in the world try their luck vs barbox specialists like Skyler and Corey and they have not fared well.

Actully yes. Bergman and SVB can beat anybody on any table and Corey can too. Mike D is not back at his best yet, but he too can beat anybody on any table. Jawson Shaw started out on a small table and then ran over everybody when he transitioned to the big table.

And while the rest of the world would rather play on 9' tables I'd still bet on them against our best on the barbox players for the Money.
 
And while the rest of the world would rather play on 9' tables I'd still bet on them against our best on the barbox players for the Money.
Yes, but if you had done so at Derby City, you would have lost. Some of the non-American stars of world pool have had the worst of it against the best American bar-box players over the years and I have watched it up close.
 
the best bar box players are the best on the bar box.

there are a couple of 9 foot pros that play both close to equally well.

two different games. two different abilities although much overlap.
 
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Seems strange but barbox and snooker are closer to each other than barbox and nine foot table. Some of the people known as barbox specialists have tough snooker games too.

I can't make up my mind about which better shows skills, tourney format or gambling. I like the variety of players in tourney play, I don't like the short races. In gambling I like that they play until somebody runs out of money or quits, I don't think it does much to rank overall skills unless you look at results over years.

While they take a long time to play, I think some of the old time round robins and snooker tourneys might be the best to show skill. I think eighteen games of snooker definitely settles who is best at the present time.

I don't have answers because time is the issue. Nobody has the time to play that long and if they did I don't think spectators would watch.

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