Tournament Hustler

If a player does not have proof of their handicap level and are unknown to the other players then they play at the top level until a proper handicap level can be determined, as Sarah has proposed.

If that means that one, or even a few players, don't get to play in a particular B tournament then I think that's unfortunate and probably is actually unfair to those few. But, it is fair to the majority to those playing and that's about all you can do as the gate-keepers.....keep it as fair as possible for the majority.
 
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Ok now I know what Bluetird is getting at ( or is this FL?) He's calling people sissy's that don't want to give their money away to him but he can't play with the big dawgs. Did someone mention heart? Don't worry Bluetird there will still be plenty of kiddies at the game room you can take lunch money from!!!!
Bob and Edyie I have read nothing but great things about you and your tournaments, hat's off to you!!! One thing I'm confused about is the pro ranking.Isn't a pro supposed to be one that makes the majority of their living from pool, so I don't understand why a road player is still considered an amateur? B
 
HEMI,
I'm just wondering about one thing..........is what this guy did what you would call, PLAYING UNDER THE RADAR????

Isn't that what alot of your post's about real good players that didn't have the heart to match up with players their speed and more, mention?? That they PLAYED UNDER THE RADAR.

Why would what this guy did be any different than say, like, hmmm..........Sonny Springer going into different pool rooms like he did and laying the lemon down with weaker players.

Is it because this guy got caught and it's on the internet?

Just wondering,
Steve
 
stevelomako said:
HEMI,
I'm just wondering about one thing..........is what this guy did what you would call, PLAYING UNDER THE RADAR????

Isn't that what alot of your post's about real good players that didn't have the heart to match up with players their speed and more, mention?? That they PLAYED UNDER THE RADAR.

Why would what this guy did be any different than say, like, hmmm..........Sonny Springer going into different pool rooms like he did and laying the lemon down with weaker players.

Is it because this guy got caught and it's on the internet?

Just wondering,
Steve
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Absolutely no difference Stevie. If you will read everything I wrote you will see that all I did was defend a world class lady in Eydie Romano. She deserves more respect than this bum and maybe others might give her.

As I have stated many times. I have hustled pool and made a lot of money doing it. If I got trapped, I shook the guys hand and said, "Good job, you got me." Then I would look for someone else to trap him. That's part of the game.
 
i thought neakin up on someone was part of the challenge. first time i saw scotty in a cowboy hat it took me a minute to recognise him. if you get hustled take it as a lesson and dont gamble with strangers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its your friends that lay low to make a score that youve gotta watch out for
 
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why not have each distric mgr porovide a roster if he or she is not on roster!!!!! no play!!!!!!! stick
 
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Bill havcen't you caught enough unique rabbits? Gambling with someone and losing isn't what this threads about. You are right Bill, if you gamble with a stranger and lose , no harm it's your fault. But if you come into a tournament playing dumb about what a B player is then you are a predator and a thief and deserve what you get when you are found out!!!!!! B
 
classifying players ...

You can track it pretty well until you get out of town players. If you have heard of them or they have a reputation, it is usually because they are a road player or someone that has won big tournaments.

Every self respecting hustler or good player will tell you they would prefer to rob rather than gamble ... that should be a given ... remember 'Let the buyer beware' instead of the 'Let the seller be accountable' that exists nowdays in our society.

If it is a handicapped tournament, and you have an unknown player from out of town, they should play at the highest handicap, i.e., play as a 12 handicap in a 3-12 handicapped 9 ball tournament.

Another way is to ask them what is the most money they have ever shot for before. If it is 5 figures or above they are a very good road player, usually a 10-12 skill level, 4 figures is a 7-10 skill level, 3 figures is 5-8 skill level, 2 figures is 3-6 skill level, and 1 figure is a
2-4 skill level. never played for money is a beginner or just a plain non gambler but usually not over a 7 skill level because when you get good and learn you can make money from your skill, you usually gamble, how much depends on the person and how good they might be. Seasoned road players should be considered PRO's because they make their living or the majority of it from Shooting Pool. I have played 41 years, been on the road when I was young, considered an 'A' player now, but not an 'A+' player as we classify them here in Wichita. I published a billiards newsletter for this area for 2 years, and still track every tournament in the general area, and the rest of Ks. and Ok. too. I would like to add one thing, the person that decides if a player can play in a handicapped tournament should not be playing in those tournaments too. They have a tendency to eliminate anyone better than them so that they can win the money ...
 
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b-jammin said:
Bill havcen't you caught enough unique rabbits? Gambling with someone and losing isn't what this threads about. You are right Bill, if you gamble with a stranger and lose , no harm it's your fault. But if you come into a tournament playing dumb about what a B player is then you are a predator and a thief and deserve what you get when you are found out!!!!!! B
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You too are right B. When I played there were no B, C, D or what ever tournaments. If you wanted to play you had to get your feet wet with who was ever in it. I have never in my life entered a tournament as a B or C player. In fact, I probably haven't played in 20 tournaments in my life. I gambled on the pool table not tournaments.
 
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b-jammin said:
Ok now I know what Bluetird is getting at ( or is this FL?) He's calling people sissy's that don't want to give their money away to him but he can't play with the big dawgs. Did someone mention heart? Don't worry Bluetird there will still be plenty of kiddies at the game room you can take lunch money from!!!!
Bob and Edyie I have read nothing but great things about you and your tournaments, hat's off to you!!! One thing I'm confused about is the pro ranking.Isn't a pro supposed to be one that makes the majority of their living from pool, so I don't understand why a road player is still considered an amateur? B
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Hi bijam, let me assure you blue bird is not me, I only post on my real name on az and billiards-pool.net. If I write it, I sign my real name to me and put my telephone number and address on the bottom of it. How many of you do that?:D
 
Bob Romano said:
Thank you Tony.. I appreciate your kind words!

BlueBird.. I do not play pool at all! My husband Bob does play pool and he is a semi master player. He was a road player for many years back 15 years ago before he married me and had kids.

I want my events to be fair play. I don't like liars and I will not put up with players who should be rightly considered pro's going to sanctioned state tournaments and stealing from the lessor player. Yes, It is stealing when you tell someone that you are a B player and you play in a B event, BBQ all the players and take their money. If the people know that they are playing a more experienced player that is one thing, but to bluntly enter a lower class tournament knowing that the others have no chance, then that my friend is a thief!

BTW, I have many many friends who are road players and several of my good friends are Pro players. I am here to promote the game. My event this weekend www.windycityopen.org is for road players and masters.

Eydie
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Right on, right on, like I said, you have a bouncer, put him to work, drag the bum thru the room out the front door and stuff him in the dumpster. Before you do that, take his picture and post it on the front door and ban him out, like the Vegas casinos do. Yes there needs to be a web site where these guys all get their mug shots permantly posted on where every room owner and clic and search. Yes you are right, they are only robbing honest amateur players.
 
billfishhead said:
i always thought that rated tournament were a joke,,,,,,,,,,,,,everyone neaks on em
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That's the way it's always been and always will be. The problem is some of these roadies coming through are as good as God and can beat Johnnie and Earl. Pro's should not play amateurs for money and pose as amateurs, that is hustling and stealing their money. These roadies are pure professionals. You don't have to have a tour card to be a professional in my book. I am one and I don't have no tour card, neither did my teachers Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddy, they never played on tour, but they were pros.
 
JPB said:
I posted on the other forum in response to this, so I will say something different here and kind of amplify/clarify what I said there.

I don't understand the league mentality. I don't understand the handicapped tournament mentality. Tournaments are a nice way to step up and compete for a cheap price. If it is expensive good players will step up and bad ones won't. But if I enter a little tournament that I can afford, I don't care who enters. If I entered a little $30 tourn, I would love it if Efren entered and I got to play him. If Tiger showed up to my club championship I would love it. I am not playing for the dinky prize, I am playing to compete and enjoy it. What fun is it to compete only with people who are equally as bad as you are?

Here's a couple examples. I started playing pool again about a year ago. I hadn't had a chance to play in maybe 12 years. I wasn't very good when I played a lot. But I got a house where I could have an 8' table and started hitting them again. So I drove 130 miles to play in a couple tourns. One was a dinky little bar box affair. Some decent players didn't bother to enter. I was better than some in the tournament, but didn't think I could beat 3-4 of the players. Well, I won. Felt great. Stupid little dinky tournament. Some players didn't enter, but nobody wass EXCLUDED. If somebody had been excluded, I would have no satisfaction in my stupid little win. Later on I entered a couple bigger tourns where there were a few good players and a bunch of decent ones. An excuse to spend a night in a hotel and get out of town etc... I had no shot. But I stepped up and played. In one tourn I got thrashed by the best player in it. I enjoyed seeing him get out on me and just pound me. And to win any games I had to get out. Well I managed to win a couple games and put together a run out I was happy with. I could take pride in that. And I won a few matches in the bigger tourns that told me I wasn't the worst one around. ;) The essence of my enjoyment was the competition. Testing myself against those players. I would not have enjoyed a tournament where only terrible players were allowed to enter.

I also played a bunch of golf this summer. First time in a long time. And I was dumb enough to play the handicapped twilight league. I hated that. All guys wanted to do was sandbag and worry about winning their match getting strokes. Screw that, I want to play good players or drink beer. The only times I played decent were when I was pushed to do so by guys who could at least play a little. So let's say I lose by shooting 37 to their 36. That is fun. OTOH, when I play a guy who says he is a 26 and fades it 265 down the middle, and we both play bad and he wins by the million shots he gets, well, it isn't fun. I don't care about the result that much. I'd rather just go play by myself on a nice evening. I also don't get that the club championship is handicapped. I want to play no strokes straight up for a trophy and a package of socks. But everybody wants flights and merchandise prizes and long drive contests for money and all that crap. I don't get it.

If you are an amateur, play for the competition. And have some heart. Step up and play. If some guy runs several racks on you, enjoy it, appreciate his skill. If you aren't an amateur you are a pro and need to step up anyway.

End O' Rant.:p
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This is a beautiful post, most intelligent, my compliments sir. You have the right attitude on this, when you catch one of these guys, you feel you walk away from the encounter a winner, not a loser. It is all about attitude isn't it. I salute you.
 
Geez, I can't believe all of the nice comments from my friends. I don't undertand why this little thread caused such a stink. Thanks all for your support, I really appreciate it!

Eydie
 
Eydie


You want to clean up the game but you won't even tell people his name. You are hiding his identity WHY? No reason except every tour director before you has also protected this guys and that is why pool has and will always have a bad name.

Change the trend who was it?
 
I think that it would be unprofessional of me to release his name. The original question was referring to what he did not who he was. I wanted peoples feedback on the situation as a hole. I certainly don't like what he did, but he was caught first round and that killed his action. The question being is how do we try and prevent things like this in the future..

If there was a "big dawg" list, it would only be for tournament directors. This would help us omit unqualified people in a controlled format.


I hope you can understand this.

Eydie
 
I understand to a point. The reason I feel they continue to try and sneak in mini's is because nobody is putting their name out there. What is unprofessional about putting the name on the net? People at the tour already know who this is. I disagree that this is unprofessional. It is a fact and stating facts is not unprofessional.

If you would state his name by hear say then that is a different matter.


You'll never catch all the road players trying to steal, rob and give pool a bad name, but I applaud you for trying to make it better.
 
There are only a few people who knew what happened at this event. There was no reason to upset the crowd. We watched him for the rest of the event and he left peacefully. I would like to avoid confrontation if at all possible, it just gets more people upset and puts a dark light on the event.

The reason I made the post was for players to give options on what should be done I the future.

I hope you understand..
 
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