Training for a backstroke pause

What's your point?

My point is that most of the ladies use a deliberate pause in their back stroke as does John Morra and Buddy hall. Also my point is that Im not sure who else does. Do you still need some clarity?
 
Ok FranCrimi started it. LOL
Neither does Orcollo, Busti, Deuel, Earl, Archer....Id say the vast majority of top players dont. Lee Brett and I got into this on a stream chat not too long ago. I was told it was vital to the game. Its like some crazy snooker myth.
Fran your naughty.

LOL. Just putting it out there.
 
I added a pause to mine a few years ago and feel it has really helped.

I watch a lot of Allison fisher and have modified my stroke after hers.
 
You mentioned some pros that don't have a pause, and some pros that do have a pause. Sorry, I thought you might be going somewhere with that. Guess not.

What you failed to see in my statement was the vast majority of top players do not use a deliberate pronounced pause in their backstroke compared to only a few that do. Its kind of a numbers things.
Maybe this will help someone starting out or who wants to change things up.
 
What worked for me was just to make your final pull back real slow. Like you are drawing an arrow. Then just go, yep, right there, and then let your subconscious take over and shoot the shot.

Great tip! I'm gonna try this when I get the chance. Thanks Neil.
 
What you failed to see, is that the "pause" is not a numbers thing. It is an individual thing. There is no magic in the pause. Just having a pause won't make you a better player, and probably will make you a worse player. It's what you DO during that pause that matters.

If you are not doing anything during that pause, but just pausing for the sake of pausing, it will probably not benefit you much at all. We are all individuals, and have to do what works best for each of us.

If you really watch the pros, you will be able to point out many "errors" that they do, but they get away with them because of perfect timing and perfect compensation. That does not mean that we can make the same errors and get away with them.
I dont fail to see this at all and im not calling the pause an error. I used it forever because that was what was taught. Still pops into my game sometimes. Just tossing some facts out there in case a noob is out there thinking its a must.
Morra and Buddy Hall shoot great.
 
Gotcha. Just to be clear to everyone... nothing the instructors teach is a "must". I have seen shortstops that do just about everything "wrong", but it works for them. (and they got a lot of action because they looked so bad at the table!) What instructors teach is the easiest way to go about achieving the goal of consistency and accuracy. Nothing they teach is "set in stone" as the ONLY way to achieve those goals. It just happens to be the easiest way to go about achieving those goals, which is why they teach the things they do teach.

The fact that there are so many aiming systems (even though only one it right, :grin:) is proof of this.

Seriously, there is more than one way to play this game. So much depends on individual feel and how a person learns, retains, and perceives things.
 
dorabelle...Nobody in this entire thread said that everyone should have a 'deliberate, PRONOUNCED pause' at the end of their backswing. Some players do, some don't. ALL poolplayers have to stop their cue, at least briefly, to change direction (even Bustamante). As I mentioned in my other post in this thread, there are actually three stops that we make...at the CB, at the end of the backswing, and at the end of the stoke (however it is delivered). Some of you may want to mince words, but the stops are still there, even briefly...as Randyg noted. Learning how to apply those stops in your stroke are exceptionally helpful for the majority of players who attempt to learn them, and incorporate them into their process.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What you failed to see in my statement was the vast majority of top players do not use a deliberate pronounced pause in their backstroke compared to only a few that do. Its kind of a numbers things.
Maybe this will help someone starting out or who wants to change things up.
 
There are reasons for the three pauses. The length of the pauses vary from player to player but they make consistency easier. Your mind and body need to be in sync and the pauses make this easier.
 
dorabelle...Nobody in this entire thread said that everyone should have a 'deliberate, PRONOUNCED pause' at the end of their backswing. Some players do, some don't. ALL poolplayers have to stop their cue, at least briefly, to change direction (even Bustamante). As I mentioned in my other post in this thread, there are actually three stops that we make...at the CB, at the end of the backswing, and at the end of the stoke (however it is delivered). Some of you may want to mince words, but the stops are still there, even briefly...as Randyg noted. Learning how to apply those stops in your stroke are exceptionally helpful for the majority of players who attempt to learn them, and incorporate them into their process.

Scott Lee

I wonder what a police officer at an intersection would think about this 'pronounced pause' and 'stop'.
 
Back to the original point. The way I got the pause was to practice with a very very long pause. 3 or 4 seconds. Did that for maybe 5 or 10 minutes a day then back to the regularly scheduled program. A riduculously slow backstroke also helped. Now the pause is .5 seconds unless I'm playing terrible in which case its .0003 seconds.
 
Op

Again back to the OP. It might also my experience that weight makes the pause more natural. I have one cue at 20.6 oz. and when I play with it, I naturally pause before executing the shot. If I start a session with that cue, I continue playing like that, even if i switch to a lighter cue (19-19.5 oz.). If I start with my other lighter cues, I typically need to become more conscious about establishing the same discipline.

I hadn't associated the pause with the weight. I assumed it was how I became accustomed to the 20.6 oz. cue. In the end, our experiences are similar.

Greg
 
dorabelle...Nobody in this entire thread said that everyone should have a 'deliberate, PRONOUNCED pause' at the end of their backswing. Some players do, some don't. ALL poolplayers have to stop their cue, at least briefly, to change direction (even Bustamante). As I mentioned in my other post in this thread, there are actually three stops that we make...at the CB, at the end of the backswing, and at the end of the stoke (however it is delivered). Some of you may want to mince words, but the stops are still there, even briefly...as Randyg noted. Learning how to apply those stops in your stroke are exceptionally helpful for the majority of players who attempt to learn them, and incorporate them into their process.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

If the player is moving their cue back and forth in a straight line there would be some sort of transitional pause, but not if they are looping their stroke. Upon closer look, what people refer to as the 'pump-handle' stroke, is really a continuous loop. I see the Filipinos do it and even Mika is doing it more and more. It's like running around a track or turning a wheel. You don't have to pause to change directions.
 
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