Try this again, my PLANS for straightening out Professional Pool.the

realkingcobra

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Now everyone can chime in and tell me all about how this is crazy, would never work, i must be on dope, no one will ever pay to watch pool....yeah, bring it on, but while you're at it, out is in writing and oost it here as to what YOUR idea is to fix PROFESSIONAL POOL WORLD WIDE!!! And start getting THOSE players paid so that CAN afford to represent this sport!!!!
 

realkingcobra

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And to clarify in anyones mind that I'm NOT being PRO DIAMOND, but i am pro test meaning to be fair to everyone taking a skill level test, i would challenge ANYONE in the world to go out and find me 500 9ft pool tables with all the same pocket size, same pocket shelf, same playability and they have to be spread out all over the world as to allow players the least amount of travel to perform the skill level test....and you only have 60 days to submit the tables and locations by country!!! On the flip side of a coin, Diamond tables may be one of the hardest tables to work on, but the saving grace is they're also one of the hardest tables to bastardzise as well, although i HAVE been suprised a few times over the years....just when you think you've seen it all, someone will have done something to a pool table that you'll just wonder how innthe hell did they do that, that's just not possible....but therenit is!!!! For an example my buddy Rich showed me some pictures of a home table he was about to work on because the home owner wasn't happy with the last installers work, he didn't know what was wrong, just that his table played like shit and he wanted it fixed. Each end rail was mounted on side of the table, opposite each other, and the side rails were mounted as end rails.....and looking at the pictures he sent me....i just refused to believe that ANYONE could be that stupid, but there it was, right there in the pictures....proof of stupidity!!!
 

S.Vaskovskyi

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Shortly, I like your passion and the ideas mostly and I'm sure this game definitely need such people to promote for the game to grow. Of course there will be difficulties like there are no one single Diamond table in my country but I know there are in Moscow for example. Of course there will be WPA and so on... but the road will be mastered by the going and I like where it leads. When it comes to me I would be glad to be part of this movement to the success and growing.:wink:
 

realkingcobra

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Shortly, I like your passion and the ideas mostly and I'm sure this game definitely need such people to promote for the game to grow. Of course there will be difficulties like there are no one single Diamond table in my country but I know there are in Moscow for example. Of course there will be WPA and so on... but the road will be mastered by the going and I like where it leads. When it comes to me I would be glad to be part of this movement to the success and growing.:wink:

Pool tables can be bought and delivered anywhere in the world because the single most important part of this plan is the international field of players, as in the more countries they represent, the more the viewers from that country want to watch and see how their race horse is doing, the better the better the chances of higher numbers for the ppv, which reaults in increased dollars to support higher and higher payouts, then increasing the player field comes next, which hopefully would result in even higher ppv numbers.
 

garczar

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Since some of you are so negetive, lets try this a different way. At this point I don't really care if someone takes my ideas and trys to copy them and do what I'm planning to do, if that be the case I'll simply retire and go fishing for the rest of my life and not give a damn, or look back.

First of all, I've been patiently waiting and planning on how to take over the world of Professuonal Pool since May 1983 when i got out of the army. I tried playing pool to support my wife and kids, and did so for several months, but soon realized that without a support program and no ladder to climb to increase my income, i would be forced to gamble for every dollar i made, there wws no way that was going to last, so i basically quit playing pool way back then to get a job as a waynof supporting my family. The first job i ever worked besides being in the Army for 9 years, i landed goingntonwork for Queen City Billiards, actually building home style pool tables. Well, having a pool player background and a natural math ability, i soon started talking with the owners about making their lool tables play better, so when my ideas made sence to them, they let me make changes to their pool tables, and i have to say, to this day i can safely say we built the best playing home style pool tables I've ever played on to date. But, after 9 months of employment with Queen City, i didn't feel as if i was doing enough because no matter where i went to play pool after work, the pool tables in the bars still played like shit, so i felt that maybe that was my calling, so i gave notice that i was quitting to start my own service business fixing the bar tables in my area as there was a shit ton of them as Washington State at the time only had ONE pool hall, and that was the OLD 211 Club down on 2nd and Union, upstairs. Man, i hated riding in that shit and piss smelling elevator up to the second floor, and leaving there at night sometimes, well lets just say you might be risking your life putting it lightly!!

I told the owners my reason for quiting was because i wanted to try and improve the bar table industry, and that one day I'd buildnthe best bar box in the world, they laughed at me and said good luck, so i went out on my own. I worked from June 1984 to June 1989 in the bar table business fixing, recovering, rebuilding, and otherwise and successfully built up 328 accounts and serving over 1,000 pool tables a year, BUT didn't feel as if i was changing or improving the conditions of playing pool as instill didn't see anyone coming along and organizing or straightening out pool for the Professional's at all, SOOOO....I decided maybe whatni needed to do was open a pool room and maybe I could effect the desired change that way. Opened my first pool room in Oct 1989 with my then partner Rich Gieler, but soon after opening, realized we had some problems that couldn't be overlooked so I sold my half of the business to him and got out, i still had my service business to fall back on so i went back to work. But i still hadn't gotten the pool hall idea out of my head, so i opened another pool room in April 1990, after it was up and running, i opened another pool room in 1991, now i had 2 pool rooms, BUT without the sale of food and alcohol in either location, it didn't take long to realize i was on the Titanic waiting to meet the Iceberg and sink like a lead balloon, so i ended up closing my pool rooms down in 1992, and back to my service business again. Well, a few yesrs later, i just didn't see anything changing so i once again decided I'd try something different, so, in June 1995 i gave my service business away to ny younger brother who worked for me for several years, didn't charge him a dime, as i had no intentions of stepping back into it again, i was NOW going to follow through with my promise i had made when i quit Queen City Billiards and build my own best in tbe world coin opersted pool tables!!! So, freed up from all distractions, i set out on my new path. By July 18th, 6 weeks later, i had designed my own King Cobra coin operated pool table and sold it for $3,000....and the bar owner wanted more of them, he liked it so much. Well, over the next 4 years, i built and sold 128 King Cobra pool tables, always refining them, making them better and better. The pride of my tables were sitting in 4 different casino's, 9ft coin operated pool tables.....9 FOOT COIN OPERATED POOL TABLES....IN CASINO'S, can you just imagine that!! One casino in Renton had 4 tables at 75 cents a game and was pulling in $7,500 a month, it was crazy. Had another casino in Auburn with 3 9fts at 75 cents a game pulling in $5,000 a month, another casino in Tukwila with 3 9fts at a $1 a game, OR $3 per half hour as i designed in a timer system that would allow the customer to choose how they wanted to pay, and they were producing $5,000 a month like clock work. Last casino was up in Everett, it had 4 9fts at 75 cents a game and was pulling in $6,000 a month! So, i had finally taken the steps to bring a pool table to the market place that could change pool, but i needed to find someone willing to build my pool table's, so began the search. In March 2000 i was directed to check out Diamond billiards as a possibility of being the manufacturer I was looking for as everyone in the business of manufacturing pool tables wasn't interested in making a change, Tom with Global Billiards gave me tbe lead.

I had a nice offer on the table from Brunswick for 5% of tbe sales if I'd design my coin op under their name, but i felt they were to big, and had already had 3 failed attempts in the coin op industry, so i went after Diamond instesd, reason being....if you want to cbange the world of playing pool, you MUST have everyone playing on pool tables that all play the same!!! So, in March 2000 i met Greg Sullivan, DIAMOND BILLIARDS ENTERS THE PICTURE!!!

Now, 18 years later, it's time to make my next major move, raising the money needed to gain the attention of the Professional Pool Players....next page. Have to feed my cats first as they WON'T leave me alone!!!
Difference in negativism and realism. Any road towards a real pro pool tour is so filled with blind alleys and dead-ends its pursuit is an exercise in futility. I wish you well and hope this quest doesn't break you either mentally of financially.
 

jay helfert

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I would refer you to my post #22 on the thread about "A cable TV show for pool." It relates to this thread.
 

K2Kraze

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Bravo, Glen - now you’re talking. This sounds like the new RKC.


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Swighey

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Since some of you are so negetive

Not a good way to start. I stopped reading right there. On other threads you have been pretty disparaging of anyone who holds an opinion that doesn't overlap with yours. You even told me I had an opinion that I didn't have. That could, quite reasonably, be construed as negative.

We are all passionate about pool, that's why we are here. Many of us would like to see a strong and healthy professional game and therefore a pro tour - this would be good for the pros and good for us also-rans who would line up to watch it. There are others who couldn't give a hoot and like it as it is and just want to play for fun or for money or see it as a hobby that has no place alongside pro sports. Engage them or don't engage them but I think it's a big mistake to disrespect their opinions.
 
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buckshotshoey

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this is crazy, it will never work, you must be on dope, no one will ever pay to watch pool.....

I LIKE IT!
 

garczar

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Not a good way to start. I stopped reading right there. On other threads you have been pretty disparaging of anyone who holds an opinion that doesn't overlap with yours. You even told me I had an opinion that I didn't have. That could, quite reasonably, be construed as negative.

We are all passionate about pool, that's why we are here. Many of us would like to see a strong and healthy professional game and therefore a pro tour - this would be good for the pros and good for us also-rans who would line up to watch it. There are others who couldn't give a hoot and like it as it is and just want to play for fun or for money or see it as a hobby that has no place alongside pro sports. Engage them or don't engage them but I think it's a big mistake to disrespect their opinions.
Ever read any of the threads/posts where someone DARES to question him on anything table related? Same scenario.
 

jburkm002

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PPV HUH. So what do viewers get with said PPV. I mean what will separate a PPV stream from all the free streams bars and pool halls set up. I have paid to watch pro's play pool. Haven't really seen much of a difference between free and pay. I am sure a lot goes into setting up a stream and equipment. Just seems to me streamers who want to make a buck. Should do it through advertisers and not viewers. Seems most events have one streaming table and half the time viewers would prefer to watch a different match. Seems most commentators get bashed and some just turn the volume down. If I ever pay to watch pool again it will be because someone put in the effort like they did with Qatar and had a stream for every table.

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jburkm002

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I suggested a ghost tourney in our area. Thought it be cool to see straight offense for a change.

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Tooler

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Shit, you are a driven man...I hope you get it done.Just having access to installation/repair/setup reference's is HUGE.

Thank You, for even attempting something this massive.



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realkingcobra

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PPV HUH. So what do viewers get with said PPV. I mean what will separate a PPV stream from all the free streams bars and pool halls set up. I have paid to watch pro's play pool. Haven't really seen much of a difference between free and pay. I am sure a lot goes into setting up a stream and equipment. Just seems to me streamers who want to make a buck. Should do it through advertisers and not viewers. Seems most events have one streaming table and half the time viewers would prefer to watch a different match. Seems most commentators get bashed and some just turn the volume down. If I ever pay to watch pool again it will be because someone put in the effort like they did with Qatar and had a stream for every table.

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As i remember, i do believe i mentioned 8 tables being streamed at the same time, viewers choice;)
 

jokrswylde

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Sounds like a lot of thought and a lifetime of experience has gone onto this plan. My only question, or maybe concern, is how are you going to market it to joe public? I captain a league team and I promise you most of my players have never heard of SVB. Furthermore, most of them to this day consider Minnesota Fats as the best pool player around. Most league players I know may recognize Jeanette Lee and....that's it.

Point being, do you have a plan to market the 16 players BEFORE the first event? Try and get them known to the casual audience? Thanks for taking the time to share your vision!
 

chefjeff

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Ok, now that we've established where the initial sponsor money is coming from, I'll be building the installer library starting in June at the Diamond factory, and will remain there until it's finished, and if anyone is in doubt of my abilities to teach this industry, go buy the Simonis cloth Installation DVDs, and you'll learn something about my skills, they're real, and they've educated a lot of installers around the world already, but they were just a tease when compared to what'll be in my free library. Leveling Diamond tables, installing and and leveling 3 piece slates, how do you fix a crowned slate, everything....found a Diamond table to buy, it's a Professional, how do i take it apart and move it with my buddy.....will be in the library as well, by video, step by step....right on your phone!!

If this is all you get done, you deserve a place in the HOF.

And every other company that has brushed off this responsibility can go jump in the lake.


Jeff Livingston
 

spliced

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Glen, what is your opinion on 7ft tables vs 9ft tables for professional events? Do you feel there should be a mix or do you believe the pro's events should be exclusively on 9ft's? There seems to be a consensus after events like the Mosconi cup that the US players are struggling on the world stage as they don't get enough time on the big tables as there are more bar box events across the country than anything, whereas players in Europe and other countries only play big tables. If you are able to get your idea off the ground, will it be all on 9ft for the pros?
 

realkingcobra

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Sounds like a lot of thought and a lifetime of experience has gone onto this plan. My only question, or maybe concern, is how are you going to market it to joe public? I captain a league team and I promise you most of my players have never heard of SVB. Furthermore, most of them to this day consider Minnesota Fats as the best pool player around. Most league players I know may recognize Jeanette Lee and....that's it.

Point being, do you have a plan to market the 16 players BEFORE the first event? Try and get them known to the casual audience? Thanks for taking the time to share your vision!

Here's the problem, if people being most of the members of Joe Public, didn't give a shit about pool yesterday, chances are they're not going to give a shit tomorrow either, so with that understanding I'm not worried about changing their minds. I do however believe the Pro's throughout the world are well enough known in their own circle of the world to have enough friends behind them that they WANT to see how THEIR player is doing in a world tournament format to sign up for the PPV to watch and give their support. The more diverse the players, the more the friends and followers they bring to the table so to speak. If 16 players can bring 100,000 viewers to the table for 2 days, that will basically raise 1 million dollars in the tournament prize fund for assessment for up coming events, as the funding is there to continue on with. The problem in the past, which has always been a problem, is everyone who's ever been in control of the prize fund....has robbed it blind. That can not be allowed to happen, just like i can not let someone WITH money to spend to promote pool, be in charge of the incoming revenues because then i have no say in the payout of it. If my plans were to work out, i have no intention to continue to run it once it reaches auto pilot, that would be my time to start putting together a board of directors to turn over the control and management of this sport to, but we're not there yet, so until then this has to be managed dictator style, my way or the highway, there are no other options. If their was another way of taking on this task, it would already be in operation today, but i hate to be the one to announce the bad news, but Pro Pool is more screwed up today than it was 10 years ago, and 10 years before that. People keep talking we have to get the youth involved, we have to get pool into high schools, we need new players coming in to this sport if it's ever going to be able to survive!!!

Really??? That's the solution to fixing pool??? Well, you'll have to excuse me if i don't share in that bullshit idea, in the first place, why in the hell do we need more PRO'S at the top of the pile struggling to make a living as it is? I mean really, what is the point of pulling in more youth into this sport if they can't go anywhere but broke!!! There's no ladder to climb, no Professional income level of play to seek out as a reward for years of hard work. And then, the reality of to good to play in lower level of tournaments as well. Yeah, that's the answer alright, screw up the youth by selling them on a bunch of bullshit with them being the future of pool....LMAO
 

WoodyMPW

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PPV is dying. Steam, Twitch, YouTube. All free to view and generate revenue for the creator.

Also, pool will always be as popular as crochet with joe public.
 
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