Try this again, my PLANS for straightening out Professional Pool.the

I like it. It's bold. It's big. It just might work. I'm rooting for you to pull it off.

The thing about it that I like the most is that you are building a marketing pipeline for Diamond Tables. If you put the tables all over the world and standardize the equipment then the local Joes can see how they would score in the skills test vs. the pros. This should be very attractive to Diamond bean counters.

I think it would be advisable to get Diamond to either give you a cut of table sales in those countries where they don't have a presence yet or give that cut to the tour.

Also, because local pool table manufacturers might feel threatened by this, maybe provide an option for them to become distributors of the Diamond tables or license the specs/name/manufacturing processes to manufacture the tables locally and become certified.

I also like the idea of Women vs. Men and I think your idea works well with that. If women qualify via the skills test they will be in the tournament.
 
...not to mention the string of young talented Asian women players. I think that's a great idea, and might even strengthen the model for tour spot qualifiers all over the world! That's one thing that Trudeau had correct...have international qualifiers, as well as domestic. Go for it Glen! :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Well hell, i think some folks are starting tonsee the light...LOL
The idea of sending the top 16 Pro's around the country to support a traveling Pro tour as to help in keeping them being paid when between guaranteed paid quarterly events was also intended to give support to more ane more pool rooms around the country by challenging their local players to take on the 16 Pros getting ready to show up. I don't care how the local pool room owner comes up with the 16 local players, by running qualifiers, collecting by selling tacos 2 for a $1....what ever, as long as they pay their own ENTRY fees, that fine. The Pro's will be supported by PPV funds. No in the event a local player walks right through the field of Pro's and wins the tour stop, that will throw his name up for consideration by the reining world champion for a possible title match, but it will only be considered as an option, not a required titled match play. The ONLY way to gain a mandatory title match with the reining world champion is by winning the number 1 rated player position, and that can only be done by taking a skill level test, placing in the top 16 selected players to compete, and then by winning the one of the mandatory quarterly PPV events, THEN they're automatically jn line to challenge for the the world chamionship title.
 
This is nothing but pure awesome, so many people with ideas and wanting to change the pool world but sit back idle.

I wish the best of luck to you and maybe one day, my son and I will get a chance at meeting you in person.
 
I like it. It's bold. It's big. It just might work. I'm rooting for you to pull it off.

The thing about it that I like the most is that you are building a marketing pipeline for Diamond Tables. If you put the tables all over the world and standardize the equipment then the local Joes can see how they would score in the skills test vs. the pros. This should be very attractive to Diamond bean counters.

I think it would be advisable to get Diamond to either give you a cut of table sales in those countries where they don't have a presence yet or give that cut to the tour.

Also, because local pool table manufacturers might feel threatened by this, maybe provide an option for them to become distributors of the Diamond tables or license the specs/name/manufacturing processes to manufacture the tables locally and become certified.

I also like the idea of Women vs. Men and I think your idea works well with that. If women qualify via the skills test they will be in the tournament.

I hear what you're saying, but the only Diamond's I'm interested in the sale of is the officially sanctioned skill level test table, as to present the same doorway for everyone to pass through as to keep the scores as real as possible. I don't want to be in the business of telling room owners they have to replace their pool tables with Diamonds in order to host a Pro Tour stop, the tables they already have is known to all the local players anyway, and my traveling 16 Pro's will adapt to any tables they'll be playing on anyway. At the end of every 4 quarters of play, there will be a crowned tournament points leader calender world championship recognition of one player, which will again force a title defence by the reining world champion. As is, the reining world champion will still have the chance tp play in any event, be it a quarterly, or a tour stop as a way of self promotion and earning additional income. In the event he wins a quarterly tournament the number 2 player will be considered to be the rightful player to challenge for the title after the quarterly event is over, but the world champion can not lose his title during play in a tournament.
 
IMO the future success of professional pool might just be centered around events that feature men and women competing against each other. Unlike other sports, that would be possible with pool and create more interest in the competition. If I were to be able to start a tour, I might opt for the top sixteen women against sixteen top male players. The first round matches would all be men vs. women. I know that in the beginning the men would dominate, although I'm sure there would be some upsets. When the day came that women were reaching the final four, the excitement level would heat up. Who would be the first women to win one of these events? It would happen, of that I'm sure. Karen Corr has already has already won the very tough Joss Tour!
Jay, one thing comes to mind, Bobby Riggs vs Billie Jean King! I have plans!!!
 
Jay, one thing comes to mind, Bobby Riggs vs Billie Jean King! I have plans!!!

I hope those plans are for something better than either one of these past "battles of the sexes":

1996 -- CJ Wiley ($60,000) defeated Vivian Villarreal ($40,000) 7-3

2005 -- Mike Sigel ($150,000) d. Loree Jon Jones ($75,000) 9-2, 9-2
 
Now everyone can chime in and tell me all about how this is crazy, would never work, i must be on dope, no one will ever pay to watch pool....yeah, bring it on, but while you're at it, out is in writing and oost it here as to what YOUR idea is to fix PROFESSIONAL POOL WORLD WIDE!!! And start getting THOSE players paid so that CAN afford to represent this sport!!!!

I like you, I really do, even though we argue about artemis cushions, but I think this whole idea is nuts.

First, the money from the initial event will come from a percentage of the profits of glue for cloth installation? Even if there is 300% markup in the glue, how much can you possibly pocket in dollar amount selling glue? You know full well, only a very small percentage of "player's" mechanics will ever switch to your system. The vast majority of tables installed will still be junk brand home tables, installed by mechanics who don't even play pool. No way those mechanics will buy your glue instead of the staples. So the total number of glue gallons you sell will be very small.

In contrast, Simonis cloth is probably on more tables than any other in the world. They sponsor every tournament under the sun it seems. There is probably more dollar amount profit from cloth than any other table component. Because its a high dollar item, and it is replaced frequently. Yet, with all of that potential dollar profit, Simonis is not coming out with their own tour.

Next, expecting "legit pool players" like us on this board to fork over registration fees, or room owners to fork over 500 to authorize a table sanction fee, is never going to happen. Pool players are notoriously cheap. When we had the IPT, BEFORE he stiffed everyone, they could not get the players to put up any money to play in qualifiers to fill the spots. And we are talking about the TOP players. Pool players are not cheap when it comes to buying equipment. We are cheap when it comes to paying table time, and registration fees.

You want amateur players to put up some cash to try out a qualifying ghost performance test? Never going to happen. Why, besides the cheap part of pool player's, the bigger part is pool player EGO! Pool players do not want to know how bad they really are. I was running an experiment over the Xmas break, at a Player's room in Philly, to see how much harder different size pockets and tables are, in real life scenarios. I wanted a range of players to play 10 racks of the ghost, on 4 different tables, and count up total balls made. I told them I'd pay their table time, and I was running an experiment. I had 3 takers after asking 20 players. All 3 QUIT, because they were disappointed at their actual ghost scores, and didn't want to give me the data. All because the scores don't lie, and their ego is bruised.

Another example of EGO is our yearly straight pool challenge, and 9 ball challenge, here on the forums. Its the same small handful of players year after year who put up a score. From the thousands of members we have here. Why? There is that ego again. People don't want to post a score unless they are a runout player.

Next, you talk about PPV. That model is dying. When we have the FREE joss tour final event stream by AZBTV, the MOST it has ever gotten is about 1800 unique and live viewers for the final marque match. If it was ppv, it might have gotten 100 viewers. And you expect your tormenament matches to get 50,000 PPV views?

Next, you want to simultaneously stream 8 tables, and let the viewer pick the match? That was done on a few WPA world championships. It sucked, imo. One table, with quality commentary, and multiple camera angles, is much better than a far away overhead view of 8 tables with no sound.

Furthermore, lets say the idea was gold, you would need a large team to do everything you want. Even the website you want. You think someone will just give you one for free, and keep it up to date? We have so many crappy websites in the pool world. Because we are not website people. We are pool players. And the true website people want to be paid in real cash, and don't care in the slightest if your idea is good or not. You won't find a webmaster who is also a pool player and passionate about your idea, to do your website for free, and keep it relevant as the technologies change. They only want the cash, not the dream.

I used the website as an example. But, the exact same thing is applicable to all of the hired help. The camera operators. The streaming operators. The build out of your football stadium. The advertising. The referees. The scorekeepers. etc, etc.

I admire your enthusiasm. I just think this particular scenario won't work. Don't let a debbie downer like me in this case stop you, though. ha ha. If you let someone like me stop you, then you yourself are not so confident on your own idea;)
 
I hope those plans are for something better than either one of these past "battles of the sexes":

1996 -- CJ Wiley ($60,000) defeated Vivian Villarreal ($40,000) 7-3

2005 -- Mike Sigel ($150,000) d. Loree Jon Jones ($75,000) 9-2, 9-2

Well, the first PROBLEM with both female players is that neither one of them was a real world championship player at the time, there won't be a repeat of that happening again i can assure you that;)
 
I like you, I really do, even though we argue about artemis cushions, but I think this whole idea is nuts.

First, the money from the initial event will come from a percentage of the profits of glue for cloth installation? Even if there is 300% markup in the glue, how much can you possibly pocket in dollar amount selling glue? You know full well, only a very small percentage of "player's" mechanics will ever switch to your system. The vast majority of tables installed will still be junk brand home tables, installed by mechanics who don't even play pool. No way those mechanics will buy your glue instead of the staples. So the total number of glue gallons you sell will be very small.

In contrast, Simonis cloth is probably on more tables than any other in the world. They sponsor every tournament under the sun it seems. There is probably more dollar amount profit from cloth than any other table component. Because its a high dollar item, and it is replaced frequently. Yet, with all of that potential dollar profit, Simonis is not coming out with their own tour.

Next, expecting "legit pool players" like us on this board to fork over registration fees, or room owners to fork over 500 to authorize a table sanction fee, is never going to happen. Pool players are notoriously cheap. When we had the IPT, BEFORE he stiffed everyone, they could not get the players to put up any money to play in qualifiers to fill the spots. And we are talking about the TOP players. Pool players are not cheap when it comes to buying equipment. We are cheap when it comes to paying table time, and registration fees.

You want amateur players to put up some cash to try out a qualifying ghost performance test? Never going to happen. Why, besides the cheap part of pool player's, the bigger part is pool player EGO! Pool players do not want to know how bad they really are. I was running an experiment over the Xmas break, at a Player's room in Philly, to see how much harder different size pockets and tables are, in real life scenarios. I wanted a range of players to play 10 racks of the ghost, on 4 different tables, and count up total balls made. I told them I'd pay their table time, and I was running an experiment. I had 3 takers after asking 20 players. All 3 QUIT, because they were disappointed at their actual ghost scores, and didn't want to give me the data. All because the scores don't lie, and their ego is bruised.

Another example of EGO is our yearly straight pool challenge, and 9 ball challenge, here on the forums. Its the same small handful of players year after year who put up a score. From the thousands of members we have here. Why? There is that ego again. People don't want to post a score unless they are a runout player.

Next, you talk about PPV. That model is dying. When we have the FREE joss tour final event stream by AZBTV, the MOST it has ever gotten is about 1800 unique and live viewers for the final marque match. If it was ppv, it might have gotten 100 viewers. And you expect your tormenament matches to get 50,000 PPV views?

Next, you want to simultaneously stream 8 tables, and let the viewer pick the match? That was done on a few WPA world championships. It sucked, imo. One table, with quality commentary, and multiple camera angles, is much better than a far away overhead view of 8 tables with no sound.

Furthermore, lets say the idea was gold, you would need a large team to do everything you want. Even the website you want. You think someone will just give you one for free, and keep it up to date? We have so many crappy websites in the pool world. Because we are not website people. We are pool players. And the true website people want to be paid in real cash, and don't care in the slightest if your idea is good or not. You won't find a webmaster who is also a pool player and passionate about your idea, to do your website for free, and keep it relevant as the technologies change. They only want the cash, not the dream.

I used the website as an example. But, the exact same thing is applicable to all of the hired help. The camera operators. The streaming operators. The build out of your football stadium. The advertising. The referees. The scorekeepers. etc, etc.

I admire your enthusiasm. I just think this particular scenario won't work. Don't let a debbie downer like me in this case stop you, though. ha ha. If you let someone like me stop you, then you yourself are not so confident on your own idea;)

The best reward is to do my best to create a change innthis industry and if i fail, so be it, but I'd rather fail trying to do something, than fail by doing nothing at all....there's a lot of people like you in this world, to scared to take the risk to succeed, and to late when someone else already does it. My greatest reward if i can spark this change to take place, will be in proving people like you wrong. You seem to forget glue is also used to install cushions and pocket facings as well. And you also fail to understand this is a worldwide market to sell glue to, and the trade off is my knowledge of how to do this line of work, servicing pool tables world wide, is bettering this industry as a whole. The glue sales is already in demand in every country Diamond has already sold pool tables in, and I'm tired of answering my phone trying to explain how to do tbis work to international callers, I'd rather just show them instead, and that's the real value in what I'm bringing to the market place!!

PS, last time i checked, i changed an entire factory in how they worked on their pool tables, over to my way of working on them, now it's the worlds turn to learn!! And just for the record, what have you ever done to improve this sport?
 
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Just wanted everyone to see this, on BBCA being played in a Stadium filled with 12,000 spectators in Berlin Germany. Competition from all over the world.
 

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RKC....
Interesting concept. My best wishes forwarded to you.

Mid 90's I had a dream like yours except it was to be the League Operators, Operator. It was designed for all 48 States pool leagues to slowly become the same. This way a player can move anywhere and their stats are registered in the national database. No more playing around with handicaps.
But alas, it would never happen. Talked at lengths with Phil of BCA, few cue makers and some pros. No one seen the light to it's viability. So after rethinking on it with their input, ya it was a loss cause.
In a way our ideas are similar.

I'm currently in limbo about pool and the right spark just might ignite by stick. I will only talk in person, I prefer that genuine in person feedback.
 
Maybe the populace at large likes darts better than pool.
Darts is probably easier to learn..?? "And nobody has to worry about Minnesota Fats hustling them out of their money".
Don't laugh.........most people believe Minnesota Fats is the champion of pool players.
On the other hand, there is a TV program called "Shark Tank" that goes over ideas like this with a fine tooth comb and if they like what they see will come up with the financial backing. It might be a viable alternative to at least consider to see what happens.
Your business plan is going to need refining, however, they won't be interested too much in how well you fix tables or sell glue.
Rest assured one of them is going to ask you..."what's in this for me?". And you better be prepared to give an answer based on finances and not on our love for the game of pool.

The entrepreneurs at Shark Tank are looking for entry into successful business models that can give them a return on their money. They could well have interest in Glen's glue business which has already demonstrated it's value with worldwide sales interest and a large market available. It's very doubtful that putting the profits back into creating a professional pool tour would seem beneficial to them.
 
The entrepreneurs at Shark Tank are looking for entry into successful business models that can give them a return on their money. They could well have interest in Glen's glue business which has already demonstrated it's value with worldwide sales interest and a large market available. It's very doubtful that putting the profits back into creating a professional pool tour would seem beneficial to them.

Could you imagine Glen on Shark Tank?

Mark Cuban: “It’s too risky, I’m out.”
Glen: “you’re stupid.”

Robert: “The numbers don’t make sense to me, I’m sorry but I’m out too.”
Glen: “don’t you know who I am? You’re an idiot.”

Mr. Wonderful: “can you explain to me again who the sponsor is?”
Glen: “who do YOU think the sponsor is?”
Me. Wonderful: “I’m out.”
Glen: “are you too stupid to understand? You’re dumb.”
 
Why would i even think about the Shark Tank show, if i wanted to go that route I'd just call JOHN PFANNENSTEIN, Managing Partner and Co-Founder of Rockmont Venture Capital and talk to John. I brought his team to Diamond a long time ago after John flew up here to Washington state to meet with me and discuss the billiards industry. Based on my meeting, his company made a proposal to Diamond to get involved and seriously expand their manufacturing capabilities, but both sides couldn't come to an agreement so no deal was made. I still talk to John every once in a while, and still have his open invitation to bring any business deal to him for consideration. I have another project outside of the billiards industry that you , very, very talented people are not even aware of...LOL but some of my friends on here are aware of it and trust me, it's mind blowing, but I'll wait until after the private meetings i have with 2 different manufactures as they want an opportunity to see what I've made for their industry. By the way, how many of YOU bought the ppv to watch Earl and Mike play for $45?....LOL
 
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