Try This Shot Ten Times

JoeyA

JoeyA

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The object is to make the eight ball by the long rail and go three rails with the cue ball to get shape on the nine ball.

You have to pocket the eight ball and get shape going three rails within the yellow triangle on the cuetable diagram below.

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Out of ten tries, how many did you make?

What type of table and what size pockets did you try it on?

I can make this shot if I draw the cue ball with reasonable regularity but going three rails with the cue ball has not been very pleasant even with my newfound knowledge of the difference between high left and low left English. :o

Try it a few time to get warmed up and then start keeping score.

I would like to know the type of table that you attempted this shot on if you don't mind.

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
I tend to either over hit the shot and miss the 8 of under hit the shot and make the 8 but not get the position required.I can do the draw shot pretty regularly.
 
God as my witness,I'd draw this ball before pushing it that hard.
And I'd get better results (considering my game) more often.

Truth be told I'd miss the shape with draw a good many times too,but I'd like my chances better.

I know thats not what you're asking...just saying.
 
I'm pretty familiar with this shape shot, but I would prefer to draw the ball off the side rail.

I'd say out of 10 times, I'll make the 3 rail shape 3 out of 10, and the draw shape 6 out of 10.
 
AceHigh said:
I'm pretty familiar with this shape shot, but I would prefer to draw the ball off the side rail.

I'd say out of 10 times, I'll make the 3 rail shape 3 out of 10, and the draw shape 6 out of 10.
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What kind of table do you get these results on?
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
Ok...gonna go give it a go your way Joey.

9' gandy.Unshimmed pockets,but I've never measured em.Not tight by my (or any one elses) estimation though.I'll report back in a few.
 
I tried to reply with a set-up from cuetable editor, but the WEI tags didn't appear on my post. Anyway,did you mean to have the 8 ball that far from the pocket? That's going to take an excellent stroke to get on the 9.
 
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I got there three times.Only once did I get the extra bounce shown at the end of the cue ball route...the other two times I barely made it inside the triangle.

While warming up for a minute or two I was disgusted with the fact that I played the ball many times (to damn many) into the hole where the yellow triangle is drawn.Hell I need to figure that out too lol.

I also scratched more the a few times in the oppisite corner pocket as the eight ball....same end of the table,oppisite corner.

Tough shot for me no doubt.I had to really let the stroke out and adjust for squirt,deflection and whatever else is in play.

Gonna give it ago again tomorrow with both top and bottom and compare.
Tough reach for me with top left though.

Cool shot.
 
Just went to the table not having played today. Gave myself 5 practice shots that would not count if I missed or made it then shot the 10 shot series.

Made it 5 times.

I have a fairly sporty draw stroke and cannot get the pos with draw.

Hard to tell from the diagram but I placed the OB 3 balls widths from the rail.

Olhausen 4.7 with SUPER deep shelves. A shot like that hit with sufficient pace has to be perfect or you get the infamous "Olhausen Rattle.:

Regards,
Jim
 
I couldn't really tell how far you had the 8 ball from the cushion, I placed it 2 ball widths out (so the edge of the 8 was 4.5 inches from the cushion). I got it 5 out of 10, came about 2 inches short twice and missed the damn 8 ball 3 times. (no concentration) Brunswick Century Pro 8 Super Speed cushions and Simonis cloth probably about 5" pockets.
 
It would be nice to know how far the o/b is from the side rail. Just a balls width makes a huge difference.

I already know I'd probably shoot it med speed with a smooth low right stroke. Depending on angle follow is ok but I know my pocketing percentages will go down.

Rod
 
How many balls width off the rail is the eight? Including an object ball directly on the spot, how many balls width over is the cue ball?
 
As soon as I saw that shot I smiled! That is a favourite of mine! I really prefer to spin the cb forward with inside siding. I have a better feel for it that outside siding all day.

That said, around here we have a few different tables. One set of tables are Palason (Canadian make) with 4 1/2 to 4 3/4 pockets. Two locations have them. The place with Simonis I could probably go 6 for 10, the other, 0-10. The table is far too slow for that shot. I would doubt even the best could go has high as 2 for 10. Another table is a nicer Palason but the rails are crazy fast and you would need 1/3 of your stroke to get that shot. Literally, pocket the 8 and you are there. On the Dufferin Challengers the pockets are 4 1/4 and I think maybe I would be 4 or 5 of 10. I will definitely try that shot out to be certain either tonight or tomorrow...if the wife lets me out.:o
 
My results on my 7' Valley Bar Box:

Made the shot 9 out of my 10 trys. Got the leave 7 out of the 10 trys with the other 3 leaves being 1 scratch and 2 just outside the yellow triangled area. Better than I thought I might do.
 
That is one of my favorite shots, I'm going to try it tonight and I'll let you know how i did tomorrow.
 
this is the type of shot that makes me want to switch to a low deflection shaft like the OB1. I have a hard time with this shot, gauging the deflection from long distance and shot hard. You really have to load it up with inside to make it go three rails and not scratch.
 
av84fun said:
Just went to the table not having played today. Gave myself 5 practice shots that would not count if I missed or made it then shot the 10 shot series.

Made it 5 times.

I have a fairly sporty draw stroke and cannot get the pos with draw.

Hard to tell from the diagram but I placed the OB 3 balls widths from the rail.

Olhausen 4.7 with SUPER deep shelves. A shot like that hit with sufficient pace has to be perfect or you get the infamous "Olhausen Rattle.:

Regards,
Jim
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Good shooting Jim. I should have said precisely where I place the object ball. It is 2 1/2 balls off of the rail. When it is closer to the rail it seems to be easier to make and when it is farther from the rail, it looks like all you have to do is put a little top spin on the cue ball.

I was kind of amazed at how easy it was to make the shot without using side spin but as soon as you started putting side spin, the shot wasn't quite as easy. Add in the getting shape part and it becomes even more difficult.

I'm curious as to how other players on AZ do with this shot and what type of table they shoot the shot on as well as the pocket size. Thanks for the feedback.

JoeyA
 
uwate said:
this is the type of shot that makes me want to switch to a low deflection shaft like the OB1. I have a hard time with this shot, gauging the deflection from long distance and shot hard. You really have to load it up with inside to make it go three rails and not scratch.
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I don't think you have to load it up too much, I hit the shot with 1 to 1 1/2 tips high and with 1 to 1 1/2 tips of left english to get the results I did. But I do play with a Predator 314-2 shaft on my cue so there might be a little more compensation you have to take into effect with a regular shaft which might require a little more english to get the same leave.

On a sidenote. I went and did the shot using low/right on the cueball and was able to get consistent leaves on the 9 ball as well, but on the other side of the 9 ball instead.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
How many balls width off the rail is the eight? Including an object ball directly on the spot, how many balls width over is the cue ball?
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This is how I position the 8 ball. 2 balls is not enough and three is too far off of the rail.

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This is a very difficult shot to make on tight pocket tables when applying high left English to get shape on the 9 ball.

I am also wondering if the guys who use the low deflection shafts will have better percentages of success. I'm not so sure.

Uwate, I'm glad you said what you said about on low deflection cues. I know you shoot a lot straighter than I do and if you feel that way, I was wondering how many others feel that way. I think you have to try this shot with a low deflection shaft and see what your percentages are before making the determination that this shot will be easier with a low deflection shaft.

Thanks for the participation, AZ.

JoeyA
 
A quick bump for a cool shot/thread...

And a question in general about this:
My results on my 7' Valley Bar Box:

Made the shot 9 out of my 10 trys. Got the leave 7 out of the 10 trys with the other 3 leaves being 1 scratch and 2 just outside the yellow triangled area. Better than I thought I might do.
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This is a pretty sweet result over all imo.I'm wondering how much easier this shot would be on a 7' rather then a 9' table?

Obviuosly the shot is much shorter for one and perhaps even more important the cb has travel something in the neighborhood of twice as far to get back....or am I underthinking the problem?

I guess I'm asking (and thinking)....Is this much much easier on a smaller table?Seems like it would be....
 
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