TS still wanted

"I did by the way send you a PERFECT used cue, and honestly it wasn't even that used."

I never said at any time that I was unhappy with the DZ. I simply find it hard to accept that the ferrule of the RK could have been a big issue, and that you were so upset by it. I shot with the cue and noticed nothing. I got it from Jazz, and I don't think there was an issue on his part. Yes, you said the collar was somewhat thicker, but not that the joint didn't match up flush. Still, I accept the fact that a previously owned item will not be as new. I am already having another shaft made for the DZ.

As I stated earlier to you, I am sorry the tip was apparently somewhat mushroomed and you could feel the edge of the ferrule...I truly am. I did not notice it.
 
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duke@neo.rr.com said:
I don't think they're a "real" Tim Scruggs cue honestly. I know they have his TS "burned" into them, but they're not the same. I have seen real TS s/p's, and IMO those are not it.
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I don't understand what you're saying, I can get Mr. Scruggs to authenticate this and many cues like this. These were some of his earlier sneakies. You're stating they have his logo in them but they're not his? This isn't a china made cue with a forged TS if that's what your'e saying, genuinely confused...
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
well, I see this is going nowhere except to an argument over another deal...so my interest in a TS s/p is now over. I'm no longer interested.
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You are responsible for the argument, there was really no reason to post about your previous dealings with each other (especially since you were both a bit unhappy) in this thread. Should have just said not interested and moved a long.

Everyone has had disappointments when buying/trading cues, I bought one not too long ago from someone on here with a great reputation. I guess I did not ask the right questions. I took it for granted that since I was paying top end price I would get top end product. When it arrived I was completely disappointed, not to mention I was charged over twice the shipping price, and cue had 0 insurance and I could hear the shaft and butt knocking into each other when it was delivered...no bubble wrap or even newspaper filler.

Costing me an extra $250 to get the cue refinished and joint replaced (where it was cracked).

Eventually everyone has a less than fully satisfying transaction at some point. If the issue is truly important then it should be addressed right away, trade reversed...money sent to correct issue...etc.

Point is you can't attempt to drag someone's name through the mud a ways down the road on a sale/trade where BOTH parties were less than forthright or at least not thorough with the inspection/disclosing of important facts and not expect the other individual to tell their side of the story.

If you open a can of worms, expect it to also come with a pungent smell.

-Mike
 
MikeH said:
You are responsible for the argument, there was really no reason to post about your previous dealings with each other (especially since you were both a bit unhappy) in this thread. Should have just said not interested and moved a long.

Everyone has had disappointments when buying/trading cues, I bought one not too long ago from someone on here with a great reputation. I guess I did not ask the right questions. I took it for granted that since I was paying top end price I would get top end product. When it arrived I was completely disappointed, not to mention I was charged over twice the shipping price, and cue had 0 insurance and I could hear the shaft and butt knocking into each other when it was delivered...no bubble wrap or even newspaper filler.

Costing me an extra $250 to get the cue refinished and joint replaced (where it was cracked).

Eventually everyone has a less than fully satisfying transaction at some point. If the issue is truly important then it should be addressed right away, trade reversed...money sent to correct issue...etc.

Point is you can't attempt to drag someone's name through the mud a ways down the road on a sale/trade where BOTH parties were less than forthright or at least not thorough with the inspection/disclosing of important facts and not expect the other individual to tell their side of the story.

If you open a can of worms, expect it to also come with a pungent smell.

-Mike
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Mike,

Great insightful post. Kudos are coming your way.

Not to mention that expecting an older used cue to be "perfect" is unrealistic....tips mushroom, the edge of ferrule/shaft moves, wood moves, etc. These things should be expected (as they are normal) when you are dealing with an older, used cue. A used cue may require a little "shaping-up" to get it ready for your personal playing preference. If you don't think this is true or agree with it, then buy new. Well, even with brand new cues, they may require a little work like tip shaping or shaft slicking to get them ready to play.....

Duke, you really laid the trap here....and you yourself fell into it. Now everyone should learn from this and move on.

Sean
 
MikeH said:
You are responsible for the argument, there was really no reason to post about your previous dealings with each other (especially since you were both a bit unhappy) in this thread. Should have just said not interested and moved a long.

Everyone has had disappointments when buying/trading cues, I bought one not too long ago from someone on here with a great reputation. I guess I did not ask the right questions. I took it for granted that since I was paying top end price I would get top end product. When it arrived I was completely disappointed, not to mention I was charged over twice the shipping price, and cue had 0 insurance and I could hear the shaft and butt knocking into each other when it was delivered...no bubble wrap or even newspaper filler.

Costing me an extra $250 to get the cue refinished and joint replaced (where it was cracked).

Eventually everyone has a less than fully satisfying transaction at some point. If the issue is truly important then it should be addressed right away, trade reversed...money sent to correct issue...etc.

Point is you can't attempt to drag someone's name through the mud a ways down the road on a sale/trade where BOTH parties were less than forthright or at least not thorough with the inspection/disclosing of important facts and not expect the other individual to tell their side of the story.

If you open a can of worms, expect it to also come with a pungent smell.

-Mike
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A 100 year old monk living in the mountains couldn't be more wise.

Honestly Duke, it really sounds like you're saying it's a fake cue that Tim allowed his initials to be burned in. In fact many of Mr. Scruggs cues have been handled by Mr. Cochran and other aprentices. In the case of your previous dealings, you could say to Bama you're not interested. In my case you could say you don't like the cues without a white buttcap. That would have been fine, as some like stainless steel joints and some dont; some like linen wraps etc.

I saw you were interested in a TS sneaky, I offered you one with a full 13mm shaft and you tell me that my cue isn't a real TS. I once thought that that guy who called you a clown for quitting pool and coming back and the rest of that fiasco a few months back was being a bit harsh. I'm starting to see where he's coming from. I see that you're very much into getting on the wrong side of people. It can't be everyone else could it?
 
Get a Bob Frey S P

Bob makes the same cue he and Timi made when they were partners. It is the same cue. If you don't want one you don't want a Scruggs SP. THEY ARE THE SAME CUE. When it comes to Timi's cues you may not know it but you sound confused as far as your facts go. I won't even try to go into any of them JUST GET A BOB FREY S P IF YOU DON'T YOU WILL JUST BE GETTING THE SAME CUE JUST USED.
Don't believe just read it on Tim's websight.
Go to Cues n Things and you won't even have to wait! You can't beat that at all or call Bob and wait 3-6 months.
Nick
 
the same hit?

i tried a scruggs at Vf and loved the hit. do his and bob freys SP hit the same as tims regular cues to date??
thank you,
joey
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
I may have started this conversation, but I'll be damned if I don't love the way you guys always seem to turn the tables on me and make me out to be the bad guy ALL THE TIME! maybe I should have just said "no thanks, not interested", but he wouldn't even know my disgust with our last order and the next time he wanted to "deal" with me, or really take advantage of me and I said "no" again...he'd wonder why. I'm an honest guy here and want anyone I deal with to know my reasons behind something I say or do. yes, the cue is used and I don't care about that...that's fine, so was mine! what I was irritated about was the fact he blatantly neglected to check what it was he sent me for anything wrong instead of doing so and fixing it if it was bad. before you all jump the gun and say "well, the shaft wasn't original", like most of you already have, you don't know for a fact what our conversations were, nor do you know what was said. yes, it is not an original shaft but what is it, 9 thousandsths of an inch too small? did you all see that, or just wanted to blame me for this? it felt fine...really. I told him the issue anyways and said the shaft was older and he DID NOT CARE cause of the ferrule being ivory and the moori tip...and not to mention he got a good deal for it and got rid of a cue he obviously did not want. honestly, I should have held out for something else, so it is a mistake on my part and I'll have to live with it. that is the only mistake I made in this deal. my cue was in GREAT shape as it was, shaft and butt, and the butt of his cue is great, the shaft needs work. if you have the capability to do something to a cue instead of paying someone else like I have to now, do it and make it right instead of someone pushing an issue like I did here about a product less-than-good. I have said my peace in this issue and am done...leave it as it is guys.
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Duke,

While folks do get a kick out of your cue buying trends....it IS your business. I've been known to buy a cue and sell it quicky too....from time to time!!! :) :) Some have even gone so far as to call me OCD, ADD, etc! (imagine that!! :) )

I think what got people so riled up was that you chose to hang the "dirty laundry" out in the open....instead of going 1 on 1 with Joe.

You said that he, otherwise, wouldn't know about your "disgust" with your last transaction....but that's what PMs and phone calls are for. Instead of going one of those two routes...you put it out there in the open. Folks here are probably just wondering why you didn't take it up with Joe personally....and out of the limelight.

I've done 5 or 6 deals with Joe...and they've all been great. More often than not, the stuff I bought was BETTER than described. That's not to say that mistakes don't happen...they most definitely do.....and while unfortunate, it was a little harsh (in my opinion) to call him out like that in public...as opposed to some PM action instead.

JMHO....that's all.

By the way...there are two really nice Scruggs SPs on Fleabay now. One has the white buttcap, and one has the black cap with white Hoppe ring. Check 'em out when you can.

Be good, bro.

Mark
 
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It Is The Same Cue

JOEY said:
i tried a scruggs at Vf and loved the hit. do his and bob freys SP hit the same as tims regular cues to date??
thank you,
joey
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IT IS THE SAME CUE
Nick
 
Bob Frey made all of Tim's Sneakies when they were together. If you want a new TS Sneaky go to Bob. Same cue. Just used to have a TS buttcap. I'm still baffled when people pay big bucks for a TS Sneaky pete.

BTW, they are great playing cues. My friend cut a brand new Dufferin in half, added a joint and white buttcap, tapered the shaft...and guess what....it played just as good for $125.00. I sold that cue to a good player who used it for 3 years and loved it.
 
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