JoeyInCali said:
Sorry, I had to repy here just because I'm a science geek...lol. I bet you $1 you can't tell me what the equation is for the pythagorean theorem! What do you think?
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Sorry, I had to repy here just because I'm a science geek...lol. I bet you $1 you can't tell me what the equation is for the pythagorean theorem! What do you think?
I bet you a thousand, Kid Delicious doesn't even come close to computing the distance from left top corner pocket to right bottom corner pocket.Rackin_Zack said:
but, he can give me the orange crush any day.
JoeyInCali said:I bet you a thousand, Kid Delicious doesn't even come close to computing the distance from left top corner pocket to right bottom corner pocket.
but, he can give me the orange crush any day.
Very true, very true! However, just so everyone knows, the pythagorean theorm isn't A squared plus B squared equals C squared (A^2 + B^2 = C^2), as most people think, it's sine suqared theta plus cosine squared theta equals one (sin^2 θ + cos^2 θ = 1). Just an FYI for the sake of useless information!
drivermaker
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BiG_JoN said:Are you serious?
I went through algebra, geometry, Algebra II, and Pre-Cal,
Jon
Another lying pool player.....next thing he's going to say is he got his GED already.
drivermaker said:
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Originally Posted by chefjeff
Using the scientific method enables a pool player to be reasonably sure that what he's doing will add value to his/her game, or not.
Jeff Livingston
But how would you know if anything you're thinking is "irrelevant" without using the scientific method? You might "feel" you're right or wrong, but to really know?...that takes logic and reason, does it not?
I bet Danny lives in the same universe we do and therefore has to deal with the same laws of physics that we deal with, too. How he does it, I don't know. I do know that he does it within the laws of nature and I appreciate anyone's attempts at explaining, in scientific terms, what he does and how.
That's my point,
Jeff Livingston
drivermaker
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chefjeff said:
I'm sure Danny does live in the same universe we do, etc., etc., But...BOB doesn't, he is from outer space. (who's Danny?)
BTW, why don't you give your input on the thread I just started regarding Instructors/instruction. I'll give mine at some point down the line, we'll compare notes.
BiG_JoN said:Are you serious?
I went through algebra, geometry, Algebra II, and Pre-Cal, and nobody ever put it that way???
I think i need to go by that place and kick somebody's ass... Lazy bastards...
Thanks,
Jon
I know what you mean. Unfortunately for the average person to understand anything they have to teach math and science on a need to know basis in high school and such! I always hated only being told part of the equation and often pissed off my fellow classmates when I wanted to know more...lol.
P.S. If you would have taken Trigonometry then you would have covered this...lol.
drivermaker
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Rackin_Zack said:
Jon coudn't have taken it because he flunked the spelling class...
(I still love him though)drivermaker said:
Hey, i gradeated... fair and square.
Are you sayeng i kent speel?
I Love little baby ducks
Old pickup trucks
Slow movin' trains... and rain
I Love little country streams
Sleep without dreams
Sunday school in May... and hay
And I love you too.
Thanks,
Jon
Bumping this old thread, unfortunately it got sidetracked but Joe T had a very informative post to start it off.
My request to Joe or anyone else who uses this technique, how about a YouTube video showing a demonstration?
Anyone else want to chime in on using backhand/fronthand english using a low squirt cue? I've been experimenting with fronthand english using my OB-1, although I don't think I have the wrist/bridge movement down very well (I'm normally not attempting any extreme English). Backhand english seems more natural, I wonder if it's worth using that with my natural bridge length and just learning the necessary compensation that way.
Joe, I hope to make it out to your neck of the woods one day for a lesson!
My request to Joe or anyone else who uses this technique, how about a YouTube video showing a demonstration?
Anyone else want to chime in on using backhand/fronthand english using a low squirt cue? I've been experimenting with fronthand english using my OB-1, although I don't think I have the wrist/bridge movement down very well (I'm normally not attempting any extreme English). Backhand english seems more natural, I wonder if it's worth using that with my natural bridge length and just learning the necessary compensation that way.
Joe, I hope to make it out to your neck of the woods one day for a lesson!
Joe T
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PKM said:
I can't shoot a video for ya right now but I just reread the post and can add a few things that I've learned since that post that I've never heard anyone talk about and might help you out.
I find that front hand english with or without tuck and roll seems to cause more squirt than back hand english does. I said seems to but I believe the reason it seems to is because I think your aim changes more in the direction of the applied english with backhand english than it does with front hand english. So it's not really squirting more it's just that you're not changing your aim as much to begin with.
Personally I do a little of both, slight fronthand and slight backhand with a little tuck & roll
Sure. Backhand doesn't work as well as with a low squirt cue.
I can't imagine why anybody would choose to introduce another moving part to their stroke when it accomplishes nothing new or unique.
pj
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I'm not sure what that means, but...
Since you can re-align your stick to exactly the same degree before your stroke, and then have a straight stroke that's much more consistent and reliable than a swooping one, why is this way preferable?
(Have a feeling this has been asked before...)
pj
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OK I'm trying to understand this technique but a little confused.
Tuck or Roll wrist position is a technique to reduce deflection?
The wrist is in a tuck or roll position but on the final stroke it's not?
I've found that for unknown reason that while standing erect sizing the shot if I put my wrist in a roll position (turned out) then relax my wrist once down, I seem to stroke the ball better and more accurately. Maybe my wrist is naturally in a tuck position and this corrects the tuck somewhat or am I kinda doing what you're saying to do and not knowing why it helps?
This tuck or roll technique seems to complicate the mechanics of the stroke. Of course nobody says this game is easy. But why introduce this. If I understand this, Joe, aren't we changing the approach angle (in relation to body position) the cue takes to the CB, when tucking or rolling and therefore the CB center has changed, similar to when elevating the butt changes the center. If on the final stoke the wrist is straight, what have we done?
Am I totally off track? Not arguing here. Just interested in the knowledge and want to understand this.
Appreciate your thoughts.
Tuck or Roll wrist position is a technique to reduce deflection?
The wrist is in a tuck or roll position but on the final stroke it's not?
I've found that for unknown reason that while standing erect sizing the shot if I put my wrist in a roll position (turned out) then relax my wrist once down, I seem to stroke the ball better and more accurately. Maybe my wrist is naturally in a tuck position and this corrects the tuck somewhat or am I kinda doing what you're saying to do and not knowing why it helps?
This tuck or roll technique seems to complicate the mechanics of the stroke. Of course nobody says this game is easy. But why introduce this. If I understand this, Joe, aren't we changing the approach angle (in relation to body position) the cue takes to the CB, when tucking or rolling and therefore the CB center has changed, similar to when elevating the butt changes the center. If on the final stoke the wrist is straight, what have we done?
Am I totally off track? Not arguing here. Just interested in the knowledge and want to understand this.
Appreciate your thoughts.
Joe T
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3kushn said:
3kushn said:
I don't think it reduces deflection anymore than any other pivoting type of english but it may because it kind of flows with the shot a little more naturally than a stiff up and down wrist.
It stays tucked as you come through the cue ball.3kushn said:
3kushn said:
A lot of people do it without knowing it.
really not sure what you're talking about here.3kushn said:
No sweat, I'm with ya and I'm really, really not sure why I or others do it but it just FEELS natural3kushn said:
Appreciate your thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Joe, is your combination of fronthand and backhand english an attempt to minimize aiming compensation for squirt given the pivot point of your cue (that would seem to suggest a pivot point somewhere between your bridge and your grip hand) or do you just prefer it that way for other reasons?